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Adam0984

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Sorry if this has been asked before but are the 3 car 158s just getting new seat covers now instead of ironing boards?
For some strange reason yes theyre just recovering the existing seats. I think its to do with creating a standard fleet that is nowhere near standard
 

Neptune

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Sounds like DfT-speak for "we ran out of money" or "we realised that it's a downgrade in comfort"
I travelled PASS on a refurbished 3 car 158 on Monday and it certainly wasn’t an upgrade from a Fainsa seat in the refurbished 2 cars. The seat base cushion is way too thick meaning that the small of your back is above the lumber support giving me backache on a 20 min journey. Your also way too high up for the table and the armrests are too low down. Very poor.
 

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For some strange reason yes theyre just recovering the existing seats. I think its to do with creating a standard fleet that is nowhere near standard
Could well be because they are different owners. The 3-car sets are Northern’s only Porterbrook owned 158s.
 

Harvey B

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I guess keeping the same seats also keeps the RUG Machine going, You don't know if your're going to get a 158 with ironing boards, a 195 or a 158 with the old seats
 

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Caped
0838 Crewe - NL
0945 Wolverton - Allerton
1323 NL - Crewe
1504 NH - Crewe

Runners
0940 Wolverton - NH 156427
1014 Crewe - NH 150/1
1033 Crewe - NL 150206
1318 NH - Crewe 150135
1412 NH - Wolverton 156

STP 28/09

STP 29/09
 
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jonesy3001

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Caped
0838 Crewe - NL
0945 Wolverton - Allerton

Runners
0940 Wolverton - NH 156
1014 Crewe - NH 150/1
1033 Crewe - NL 150/2
1318 NH - Crewe
1412 NH - Wolverton

STP 29/09
I'd say 323224 on today's wolverton to allerton run and 223 on Tuesday which completes the refurbishment programme for the northern 323s.
 

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0838 Crewe - NL
0945 Wolverton - Allerton
1323 NL - Crewe
1504 NH - Crewe

Runners
0940 Wolverton - NH 156
1014 Crewe - NH 150/1
1033 Crewe - NL 150/2
1318 NH - Crewe 150/1
1412 NH - Wolverton 156

STP 28/09

STP 29/09
Anyone know todays units going to and from works for interior refurb or more commonly CET tank fitment or sim.
Thanks
K
 

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Anyone know todays units going to and from works for interior refurb or more commonly CET tank fitment or sim.
Thanks
K
I think we’re now down to the last 150 to require a CET tank which is 150135. It’ll just be the last remaining Serco/Abellio interior units requiring a repaint and refurbishment from now on.

Not sure what 150/150s went to Crewe today.
 

Andyh82

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I travelled PASS on a refurbished 3 car 158 on Monday and it certainly wasn’t an upgrade from a Fainsa seat in the refurbished 2 cars. The seat base cushion is way too thick meaning that the small of your back is above the lumber support giving me backache on a 20 min journey. Your also way too high up for the table and the armrests are too low down. Very poor.
Yes if anything the cushions on the 158s with original seats are too thick. The thickness compared with ironing boards is quite ridiculous and like you say the armrests are now too low
 

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I think we’re now down to the last 150 to require a CET tank which is 150135. It’ll just be the last remaining Serco/Abellio interior units requiring a repaint and refurbishment from now on.

Not sure what 150/150s went to Crewe today.
That's good news about the CET tanks.
Would it be true to say that Northern have the above mentioned 150 135 plus the remaing pacers and 153s which discharge sewage onto the track.
Perhaps theres still a few 156s still to do too.
K
 

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That's good news about the CET tanks.
Would it be true to say that Northern have the above mentioned 150 135 plus the remaing pacers and 153s which discharge sewage onto the track.
Perhaps theres still a few 156s still to do too.
K
All 156’s have CET tanks fitted including the ex ScotRail units as these already had them fitted before coming to Northern.
 

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Updated lists 27/09/20, corrections welcome. Any updates on the 3 car 158's and which 156 went to Holbeck today would be appreciated, along with any further seat cover changes which seem to be picking up pace, 155347, 156466 and 150102 being recent additions. If anyone knows which 150/1 came back from Crewe yesterday (150110?) that would be appreciated. I suspect 150135 will receive full works while it is down there.

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Liveries

Northern livery with logos
Unbranded Northern livery
Old Serco-Abellio Northern purple
Unbranded First Scotrail Barbie
Unbranded First Great Western Blue


Units in italic are not PRM compliant but have received dispensation
# – Digital Train Modifications complete (USB, CCTV, additional PIS screens)
# - Northern Connect Mods (Seat reservations)
Prototype refurbishment – light blue seat backs, Arriva turquoise grab poles, cream coloured end walls

150001 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150002 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats

# 150101 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150102 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150103 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats

150104 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150105 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150106 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150107 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150108 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150109 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150110 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats (in works, Crewe)
150111 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats

150112 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150113 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats
150114 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats
150115 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats

150116 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150117 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats
150118 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats

150119 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150120 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats

150121 - Unrefurbished, First Great Western moquette Ashbourne seats
150122 - Unrefurbished, First Great Western moquette Ashbourne seats
150123 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150124 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150125 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150126 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats

150127 - Unrefurbished, First Great Western moquette Ashbourne seats
150128 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150129 - Unrefurbished, First Great Western moquette Ashbourne seats
150130 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150131 - Unrefurbished, First Great Western moquette Ashbourne seats
150132 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150133 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150134 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats

150135 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats (in works, Crewe)
150136 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150137 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150138 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150139 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150140 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150141 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150142 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150143 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150144 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150145 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150146 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150147 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats

150148 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150149 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150150 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats

150120, 123, 128, 130 retain Silverlink NSE blue wall carpet
150136 has several rows of seats in airline layout

150201 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150203 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150204 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150205 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150206 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats

150209 - Unrefurbished, First Great Western moquette Ashbourne seats (no toilet)
150210 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150211 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150214 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats

150215 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150218 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats

# 150220 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150222 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150223 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats

150224 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150225 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150226 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats (in works, Crewe)

# 150228 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150268 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150269 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150270 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
# 150271 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150272 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
# 150273 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150274 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
# 150275 – Refurbished (prototype style), new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150276 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150277 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats


150205 has a row of seats that were incorrectly fitted in a bay layout on refurb

155341 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
155342 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
155343 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
155344 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
155345 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
155346 - Refurbished (prototype style), new blue moquette Chapman seats
155347 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats


# 156420 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 156421 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156423 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156424 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats

# 156425 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156426 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156427 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 156428 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156429 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
156438 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats

# 156440 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156441 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
156443 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156444 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats

156447 - Unrefurbished, old First purple moquette Ashbourne seats
156448 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156449 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats (in works, Eastleigh)
# 156451 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats

# 156452 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
156454 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats

# 156455 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156459 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156460 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156461 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
156463 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
# 156464 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
156465 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats

# 156466 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
156468 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156469 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156471 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156472 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156475 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156479 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156480 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats (RAF 100 vinyls)
156481 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156482 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156483 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156484 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats

156485 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats (in works, Eastleigh)
156486 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156487 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156488 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156489 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156490 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156491 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156496 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats


Refurbished 156 units with Richmond seats but old purple moquette seats (and 156468/156489) retain floor carpet, this is replaced during work at Holbeck

158752 - Refurbished, new blue moquette MTB seats
158753 - Refurbished, new blue moquette MTB seats
158754 - Refurbished, new blue moquette MTB seats
158755 - Refurbished, new blue moquette MTB seats
158756 - Refurbished, new blue moquette MTB seats
158757 - Refurbished, new blue moquette MTB seats (in works, Holbeck)
158758 - Refurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats
158759 - Refurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats

158782 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats

158784 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158786 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158787 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158789 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158790 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158791 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats
158792 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158793 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158794 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158795 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158796 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats

158797 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158815 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats

158816 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158817 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats

158842 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats (in works, Bristol Barton Hill)
158843 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158844 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats

## 158845 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158848 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
## 158849 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158850 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158851 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats
158853 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats (in works, Crewe)
158855 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats
158859 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158860 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats (Thank you NHS vinyls)
158861 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats
158867 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158868 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158869 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158870 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158871 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats

158872 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats

158901 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158902 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158903 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158904 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158905 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158906 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158907 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158908 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158909 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158910 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats


158752 and 158756 have cream coloured end walls instead of navy blue

158752-759, 782, 786, 789, 867-871 retain the parcels cupboard in the 57 end vehicle

# 170453 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170454 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170455 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170456 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170457 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170458 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170459 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170460 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170461 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170472 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170473 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170474 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170475 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170476 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170477 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170478 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats

170453-458 retain an old first class section (declassified) at each end of the train

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Liveries

Northern livery with logos
Unbranded Thameslink White/Blue


319361 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319366 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319367 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319368 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319369 – refurbished, dark purple “Northern Electrics” moquette seats
319370 – refurbished, First Capital Connect moquette seats

319372 – unrefurbished, FCC moquette seats and interior
319375 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319378 – refurbished, dark purple “Northern Electrics” moquette seats
319379 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319381 – refurbished, First Capital Connect moquette seats
319383 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319384 – refurbished, First Capital Connect moquette seats
319385 – refurbished, First Capital Connect moquette seats
319386 – refurbished, dark purple “Northern Electrics” moquette seats


769424 – refurbished, First Capital Connect moquette seats
769431 – refurbished, First Capital Connect moquette seats
769434 – refurbished, First Capital Connect moquette seats
769442 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
769448 – refurbished, First Capital Connect moquette seats
769450 – refurbished, First Capital Connect moquette seats
769456 – refurbished, First Capital Connect moquette seats
769458 – refurbished, First Capital Connect moquette seats


319367 has additional PIS screens fitted although never used
All Northern 769s retain a declassified first class section

323223 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats (in works, Wolverton)
323224 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats (in works, Wolverton)

323225 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats

323226 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323227 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323228 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323229 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats

323230 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323231 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats

323232 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323233 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323234 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323235 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323236 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323237 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323238 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323239 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats

333001 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333002 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333003 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333004 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333005 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333006 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333007 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333008 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333009 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333010 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333011 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333012 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333013 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333014 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333015 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats

333016 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
 

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