Northern Unit Refurbishments

[Harvey B]

This morning on NL Leeds was a 3 car 333004 with out one of the driving cars, when I saw it a week last Friday the coach had some damage. Does anyone know what it hit. MTIA

I've always wondered something. If there was an issue with the TSO on a 333, then could it still run as a 3 car unit in the meantime?

 

[skyhigh]

I've always wondered something. If there was an issue with the TSO on a 333, then could it still run as a 3 car unit in the meantime?

No.

 

[Adam0984]

This morning on NL Leeds was a 3 car 333004 with out one of the driving cars, when I saw it a week last Friday the coach had some damage. Does anyone know what it hit. MTIA

It's listed as having a fatality

I've always wondered something. If there was an issue with the TSO on a 333, then could it still run as a 3 car unit in the meantime?

Yeah they were delivered as 3 car so if it was just the TSO removed then yes

 

[Harvey B]

It's listed as having a fatality

Yeah they were delivered as 3 car so if it was just the TSO removed then yes

Thanks Adam. I'd have imagonged that it could be possible

No.

What makes you think that it isn't possible to run them without the TSO?

 

[D6130]

What makes you think that it isn't possible to run them without the TSO?

You would have to do some fairly serious reconfiguration of the Train Management System software, I believe.

 

[skyhigh]

What makes you think that it isn't possible to run them without the TSO?

They were built with 3 cars, but every modification since has been made on the basis that they are permanent 4 car sets. Changes have been made to the TMS, then there's the digi mods and other bits and pieces. Not to mention the confusion that having a single 3-car 333 would cause and the fact that there's enough slack in the electric fleet that it doesn't particularly matter if a unit is long term stopped.

It would take quite a lot of work to get one out in 3 car form, and even then it's only useful if there happens to be some kind of defect on only the TSO that can't be fixed in any reasonable timeframe (such as major body damage) as most things can be fixed quite easily. The chances of that particular set of circumstances are slim.

So in practical terms, no, you'll never see one running in 3 car form.

 

[jonesy3001]

Seen on Facebook that 137 and 141 are back at newton heath.

Realtime Trains | 5Z50 1729 Bletchley T.M.D. to Newton Heath T.M.D. | 30/06/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Z50 1729 departure from Bletchley T.M.D. to Newton Heath T.M.D. on 30/06/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Any idea what's going back the other way?

Realtime Trains | 5Z51 2311 Newton Heath T.M.D. to Bletchley T.M.D. | 30/06/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Z51 2311 departure from Newton Heath T.M.D. to Bletchley T.M.D. on 30/06/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[Greybeard33]

Seen on Facebook that 137 and 141 are back at newton heath.

Realtime Trains | 5Z50 1729 Bletchley T.M.D. to Newton Heath T.M.D. | 30/06/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Z50 1729 departure from Bletchley T.M.D. to Newton Heath T.M.D. on 30/06/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Any idea what's going back the other way?

Realtime Trains | 5Z51 2311 Newton Heath T.M.D. to Bletchley T.M.D. | 30/06/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Z51 2311 departure from Newton Heath T.M.D. to Bletchley T.M.D. on 30/06/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Travelling north on an Avanti service this evening, we overtook these two Marston Vale 150s on the WCML north of Stafford. Might this be a temporary unit swap for Newton Heath to carry out some heavy maintenance on the LNW units?

 

[jonesy3001]

Travelling north on an Avanti service this evening, we overtook these two Marston Vale 150s on the WCML north of Stafford. Might this be a temporary unit swap for Newton Heath to carry out some heavy maintenance on the LNW units?

137 being dropped off for maintenance, 141 going back

 

[Geeves]

I guess that 141 was for insurance purposes then?

 

[jonesy3001]

I guess that 141 was for insurance purposes then?

Probably, seen the videos of the movements in the manchester railways group and the sprinter group.

 

[TheEastAnglian]

I guess that 141 was for insurance purposes then?

Possibly acting as the taxi. Hard to tell, but it sounded like the engines on 137 were shut down.

 

[diligentdave]

Possibly acting as the taxi. Hard to tell, but it sounded like the engines on 137 were shut down.

137 has a failed alternator so couldn't run by itself on the mainline, had to have a bit of insurance. As 141 was needed for service it had to return.

 

[simon7929]

Could this be 156478 heading to Northern tomorrow?

Realtime Trains | 5E12 1706 Kilmarnock Bonnyton Depot to Heaton T&R.S.M.D. | 08/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 5E12 1706 departure from Kilmarnock Bonnyton Depot to Heaton T&R.S.M.D. on 08/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Could this be 156478 heading to Northern tomorrow?

Realtime Trains | 5E12 1706 Kilmarnock Bonnyton Depot to Heaton T&R.S.M.D. | 08/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 5E12 1706 departure from Kilmarnock Bonnyton Depot to Heaton T&R.S.M.D. on 08/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Also a Path in from Heaton to Kilmarnock

Realtime Trains | 5S08 0953 Heaton T&R.S.M.D. to Kilmarnock Bonnyton Depot | 08/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 5S08 0953 departure from Heaton T&R.S.M.D. to Kilmarnock Bonnyton Depot on 08/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Realtime Trains | 5S08 0953 Heaton T&R.S.M.D. to Kilmarnock Bonnyton Depot | 08/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 5S08 0953 departure from Heaton T&R.S.M.D. to Kilmarnock Bonnyton Depot on 08/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[diligentdave]

Could this be 156478 heading to Northern tomorrow?

Realtime Trains | 5E12 1706 Kilmarnock Bonnyton Depot to Heaton T&R.S.M.D. | 08/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 5E12 1706 departure from Kilmarnock Bonnyton Depot to Heaton T&R.S.M.D. on 08/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Also a Path in from Heaton to Kilmarnock

Realtime Trains | 5S08 0953 Heaton T&R.S.M.D. to Kilmarnock Bonnyton Depot | 08/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 5S08 0953 departure from Heaton T&R.S.M.D. to Kilmarnock Bonnyton Depot on 08/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Realtime Trains | 5S08 0953 Heaton T&R.S.M.D. to Kilmarnock Bonnyton Depot | 08/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 5S08 0953 departure from Heaton T&R.S.M.D. to Kilmarnock Bonnyton Depot on 08/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Insurance unit as 478 hasn't been in service for 2 years or more.

 

[JModulo]

Post from Brodie Engineering on LinkedIn about 478, note that the interior is done to the same Northern spec as the other ex ScotRail units, however has retained plug sockets.

Brodie Engineering Ltd are delighted to announce a 5 year agreement with Northern for the lease of DMU 156478. Prior to going on lease, the unit has undergone substantial preparatory works including a full C6 overhaul, interior repaint and refresh and exterior repaint and re-livery. All works were successfully undertaken at Brodie Engineering’s Caledonia Works.

 

[skyhigh]

Post from Brodie Engineering on LinkedIn about 478, note that the interior is done to the same Northern spec as the other ex ScotRail units, however has retained plug sockets.

What are the chances as soon as there's a fault with them they'll just be isolated....

 

[T74]

Insurance unit as 478 hasn't been in service for 2 years or more.

Do we know which unit went up to collect it . Thanks

 

[Trainman5862]

Do we know which unit went up to collect it . Thanks

156487 I’ve heard.

 

[sbrignall72]

This one for diligentdave really, do we have expected release dates yet for the following units.
150111
150218
150226
156454
156468
Are any others away

Many thanks

 

[jonesy3001]

This one for diligentdave really, do we have expected release dates yet for the following units.
150111
150218
150226
156454
156468
Are any others away

Many thanks

Isn't 150111 being converted into 150007 with a car from 150226, unsure what's going to be used for 150008 though with the remaining car of 226.

 

[superkev]

Isn't 150111 being converted into 150007 with a car from 150226, unsure what's going to be used for 150008 though with the remaining car of 226.

I did here Northern were intending to create one or more additional 3 cars as the existing are due overhaul soon.
K

 

[diligentdave]

This one for diligentdave really, do we have expected release dates yet for the following units.
150111
150218
150226
156454
156468
Are any others away

Many thanks

150111 - 7th Sept (or could change)
150226 - 30th Sept (or could change)
156454 - 21st Sept (will probably change)
156468 - 3rd August - confirmed.

150218 - how longs a piece of string? No date yet, there's still quite a bit to replace that have never been replaced before.

I did here Northern were intending to create one or more additional 3 cars as the existing are due overhaul soon.
K

Yes, 150007 & 150008 will be created using 150111 (outers) and half of 226, the other should be 150132 (and the other half of 226).

 

[kemal]

Afternoon

Are 158755 and 158869 being refurbished or just under general maintenance please?

Thank you

 

[skyhigh]

755 is under repair.

 

[kemal]

755 is under repair.

Thank you skyhigh

 

[diligentdave]

Afternoon

Are 158755 and 158869 being refurbished or just under general maintenance please?

Thank you

158755 is undergoing extensive repairs after striking a large metal object left embedded in the track after a piece of overnight engineering works. 158869 has severe corrosion to the front ends behind the gangways found whilst having a C4 overhaul.

 

[kemal]

158755 is undergoing extensive repairs after striking a large metal object left embedded in the track after a piece of overnight engineering works. 158869 has severe corrosion to the front ends behind the gangways found whilst having a C4 overhaul.

Brilliant. Thank you for that info diligentdave

 

[Harvey B]

Any update on when the 333s will get TrainFX?

And will a few of them still have the Siemens PIS system when they start running Doncasters?

 

[reecestrains]

Nope, and at this rate it's likely they'll still be on them when they start doing Doncaster later this year.