Northern Unit Refurbishments

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Are the 333s going to be repainted or not?

 

[Bletchleyite]

There is little to beat the mighty Grammer IC3000 as found in the good quality Class 158 refurbs i.e. ScotRail Inverness sets, EMT, ATW.

i.e.:

(ATW 158 interior)

 

[Halish Railway]

Are the 333s going to be repainted or not?

They will as they are required to in the franchise agreement. Northern are putting the 333 refurbishment off as they are already fit for the 2020 PRM requirements.

 

[Parallel]

There is little to beat the mighty Grammer IC3000 as found in the good quality Class 158 refurbs i.e. ScotRail Inverness sets, EMT, ATW.

i.e.:

(ATW 158 interior)

The ones on Arriva have squidgy/softer headrests too. Lovely!

 

[mikemcniven]

Images have appeared on the Class 150, 153, 155, 156, 158, 159 & 950 sprinter group of the new 150142 interior seats with new coverings

Not everyone will be able to access the group, sorry, as it's a closed group.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/614...=1510948725973131&notif_t=group_comment_reply

 

[superalbs]

Images have appeared on the Class 150, 153, 155, 156, 158, 159 & 950 sprinter group of the new 150142 interior seats with new coverings

Not everyone will be able to access the group, sorry, as it's a closed group.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/614...=1510948725973131&notif_t=group_comment_reply

Shame they can't develop a livery to go with it really.

 

[507021]

Images have appeared on the Class 150, 153, 155, 156, 158, 159 & 950 sprinter group of the new 150142 interior seats with new coverings

Not everyone will be able to access the group, sorry, as it's a closed group.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/614...=1510948725973131&notif_t=group_comment_reply

Those seats look much better than the old ones, I'm looking forward to trying them out (when I actually start going on the train again!).

 

[Grannyjoans]

Where is the refurbishment in the cab of these so called refurbished 150's ???

 

[MG11]

There is little to beat the mighty Grammer IC3000 as found in the good quality Class 158 refurbs i.e. ScotRail Inverness sets, EMT, ATW.

i.e.:

(ATW 158 interior)

I love Grammer seating but I prefer the EMT version with the full headrests and the ATW ones should have more airline seating, to accomodate more customers.

 

[MG11]

Images have appeared on the Class 150, 153, 155, 156, 158, 159 & 950 sprinter group of the new 150142 interior seats with new coverings

Not everyone will be able to access the group, sorry, as it's a closed group.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/614...=1510948725973131&notif_t=group_comment_reply

Is there any we can get them posted on here? I don't use Facebook.

 

[mikemcniven]

Is there any we can get them posted on here? I don't use Facebook.

I am afraid there isn't, I did try last night but due to the type of group it's on it doesn't show up when you add in the photo as it's behind a virtual wall

 

[MG11]

I am afraid there isn't, I did try last night but due to the type of group it's on it doesn't show up when you add in the photo as it's behind a virtual wall

Ahh no worries. Thanks anyway.

 

[Halish Railway]

319 376 is in the new livery and is working http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K79805/2017/11/18/advanced

 

[158722]

319 371 is in the new livery with full decals, leaving just 380/386 in Northern Electrics livery - unless those have also gone to Wolverton by now.

319361-369/377 all still white without Nothern/Arriva lettering, etc?

 

[Loop & Link]

386 was out yesterday so not at Wolverton (yet)

Yes, re: 361-369/377.

319384 in full livery too and has been out and about and refurbed inside except with FCC seat covers.

 

[507021]

Time to update this again...

Units in red are in the Northern Rail livery or their former operator's livery.
Units in blue are in the Northern livery.
Units in purple are in the base Northern livery.
Units in bold are refurbished.
Units with a ^ are out of service for repaint/refurbishment/PRM mods.
Units with a * have received PRM modifications.
Units with a $ are currently stored/out of service.
Class 319 units with an F are having engines fitted for the Class 769 Flex programme.

Class 150s:
150103, 150110, 150111, 150112, 150113, 150114, 150115, 150116, 150117, 150118, 150119, 150132, 150133, 150134*, 150135, 150136*, 150137*, 150138, 150139, 150140*, 150141, 150142*, 150143, 150144, 150145, 150146, 150147, 150148, 150149, 150150.

150201, 150203^, 150204*, 150205*, 150206*, 150207, 150210, 150211*, 150214, 150215, 150218, 150220*, 150222*, 150223*, 150224, 150225, 150226, 150228, 150268, 150269, 150270, 150271, 150272, 150273, 150274^, 150275*, 150276*, 150277.

Due: 150101, 150102, 150104, 150105, 150106, 150107, 150108, 150109, 150120, 150121, 150122, 150123, 150124, 150125, 150126*, 150127, 150128, 150129, 150130, 150131.

Class 155s:
155341, 155342, 155343, 155344, 155345^, 155346*, 155347.

Class 156s:
156420, 156421, 156423, 156424, 156425, 156426, 156427, 156428, 156429, 156438*, 156440, 156441, 156443*, 156444*, 156448, 156451*, 156452, 156454*, 156455, 156459, 156460, 156461, 156463*, 156464, 156466, 156468, 156469, 156471*, 156472*^, 156475, 156479*, 156480, 156481*, 156482*, 156483*, 156484*, 156486*, 156487*, 156488*, 156489*, 156490^, 156491*.

Due: 1564??, 1564??, 1564??, 1564??, 1564??.

Class 158s:
2-car: 158784, 158787, 158790, 158791, 158792, 158793, 158794, 158795, 158796, 158797, 158815, 158816, 158817, 158842, 158843, 158844, 158845*, 158848, 158849*, 158850^, 158851, 158853, 158855, 158859, 158860*, 158861, 158872.

158901, 158902, 158903, 158904, 158905, 158906, 158907, 158908, 158909, 158910.

3-car: 158752*, 158753*, 158754*, 158755*, 158756*, 158757^, 158758, 158759.

Due: 158782, 158786, 158789, 158867, 158868, 158869, 158870, 158871.

Note: 158906 is fitted with WiFi, charging points and a PIS in one carriage.

Class 170s:
170453, 170454, 170455, 170456, 170457, 170458, 170459, 170460, 170461, 170472, 170473, 170474, 170475, 170476, 170477, 170478.

Class 319s:
319361*, 319362*, 319363*, 319364*, 319365*, 319366*, 319367*, 319368*, 319369*, 319370*, 319371*, 319374*, 319375*, 319376*, 319377*, 319378*, 319379*, 319380, 319381*$, 319382*, 319383*, 319384*, 319385*^, 319386.

319424*F, 319431*^, 319434*F, 319442*$, 319448*, 319450*, 319456*F, 319458*^.

Class 333s:
333001*, 333002*, 333003*, 333004*, 333005*, 333006*, 333007*, 333008*, 333009*, 333010*, 333011*, 333012*, 333013*, 333014*, 333015*, 333016*.

Class 769s:
769424*F, 769431*, 769434*F, 769442*$, 769448*, 769450*, 769456*F, 769458*, 7694??, 7694??, 7694??.

Note: Class 769s in italics have not yet been converted.

If anybody notices any mistakes, or has information on the PRM status of the units expected to arrive, please let me know.

 

[BigCj34]

So there is only one set that's completely refurbished then? Is a PRM mod only the first stage of the interior refurbishment?

 

[158722]

Time to update this again...


Class 150s:

150201, 150203^, 150204*, 150205*, 150206*, 150207, 150210, 150211*, 150214, 150215, 150218, 150220*, 150222*, 150223*, 150224, 150225, 150226, 150228, 150268, 150269, 150270, 150271, 150272, 150273, 150274^, 150275*, 150276*, 150277.


If anybody notices any mistakes, or has information on the PRM status of the units expected to arrive, please let me know.

Just 150206 in full Northern livery is the only addition to an otherwise excellent listing.

 

[Halish Railway]

By the way 319 376 is in full Northern livery with decals. I saw it at Stafford going from Wolverton to Allerton depot. I'll put some pics on Flickr later.

 

[pemma]

So there is only one set that's completely refurbished then? Is a PRM mod only the first stage of the interior refurbishment?

PRM mods are funded by the leasing company, other modifications have to be funded by the operator. Both are supposed to be completed by the end of 2019 but there's a legal requirement to get all the PRM mods done by then, other mods are a franchise requirement which could be changed if, for example, cascaded units are late arriving - which they already are.

I'm not convinced there's any 'fully refurbished' trains. The refurbishment is supposed to include internal lighting replaced with more energy efficient LED lighting and I don't think that's been done to any units yet.

Northern started re-padding seats and replacing seat covers but apparently it's been decided the 158s and 156s are getting new seats (not sure about the 155s), while the ex-ATN and ex-LM 150s are supposed to now be getting upcycled seats replacing the existing ones. Some of the ex-LM 150s are also supposed to be reformed in to 3 car sets and it's been suggested Angel Trains have proposed removing the redundant cabs.

The 333s are supposed to have the seating density reduced in the driving cars. Both the 319s and 333s are supposed to be getting a pantograph camera and a monitor in the cabs.

 

[Halish Railway]

Got some pics of the newly refurbished 319 376 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/159740253@N02/38447187676/in/dateposted-public/

 

[BigCj34]

PRM mods are funded by the leasing company, other modifications have to be funded by the operator. Both are supposed to be completed by the end of 2019 but there's a legal requirement to get all the PRM mods done by then, other mods are a franchise requirement which could be changed if, for example, cascaded units are late arriving - which they already are.

I'm not convinced there's any 'fully refurbished' trains. The refurbishment is supposed to include internal lighting replaced with more energy efficient LED lighting and I don't think that's been done to any units yet.

Northern started re-padding seats and replacing seat covers but apparently it's been decided the 158s and 156s are getting new seats (not sure about the 155s), while the ex-ATN and ex-LM 150s are supposed to now be getting upcycled seats replacing the existing ones. Some of the ex-LM 150s are also supposed to be reformed in to 3 car sets and it's been suggested Angel Trains have proposed removing the redundant cabs.

The 333s are supposed to have the seating density reduced in the driving cars. Both the 319s and 333s are supposed to be getting a pantograph camera and a monitor in the cabs.

So is even the 158752 still just classed as PRM modded than totally refurbished? I know it says as such here. The PRM modded trains at least are a step up from before, though maybe not 'as new'!

 

[Halish Railway]

So is even the 158752 still just classed as PRM modded than totally refurbished? I know it says as such here. The PRM modded trains at least are a step up from before, though maybe not 'as new'!

I think that it was supposed to be the 'like new' refresh as the franchise agreement specified recovered seats. However, Northern management weren't happy with the results, hence why new seats are being introduced.

 

[Halish Railway]

Can someone describe what 150 142 looks like on the inside as unfortunately, not everyone can view the Facebook page.

 

[Geeves]

From the company Facebook group Halish

Looks good I think

 

[pemma]

The retention of the old windows prevent it looking like a 'like new' interior.

 

[Bletchleyite]

I think that it was supposed to be the 'like new' refresh as the franchise agreement specified recovered seats. However, Northern management weren't happy with the results, hence why new seats are being introduced.

I certainly wouldn't be with the ex-RRNE 156s, the seats in those (I forget the manufacturer) are falling to bits.

The Chapman seats in the ex-RRNW ones are more or less OK, on the other hand, and aren't a bad seat (though look a bit dated).

 

[Bletchleyite]

The retention of the old windows prevent it looking like a 'like new' interior.

Has any UK refurb ever replaced the window units? I don't think it has. I like that seat cover pattern though. (Notably they are the ex-RRNW Chapman seats, not new ones). They could however have done with cleaning the obviously visible greasy muck off, though. (At least unlike the Southern 442 refurb they have at least bothered cleaning the ceiling panels).

Mind you, SBB and DB both do replace window units at some refurbs, and it's partly that that had me fooled that the 1990s Silberling -> Buntling refurb was actually new-build. The SBB "fresh air UIC coaches" also have brand-new full-drop window units, again helping them to look new (were it not for the slamdoors, though these have been fitted with opening motors so are no longer manual).

 

[Halish Railway]

Thanks for the picture! It looks like one of the nicest things going around the Northern network in ages.

 

[xotGD]

Thanks for the picture! It looks like one of the nicest things going around the Northern network in ages.

I'd much rather have a unit with old 2+2 seating than a unit with new 3+2 seating. However I have to agree that it looks smart and ought to impress the passengers.