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superkev

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As well as the
STP 05/07 1238 Heaton - Eastleigh & 1221 Newton Heath - Crewe
Todays (Sun) Newton Heath to Crewe has run. No idea of unit number.
Todays Heaton to Eastleigh was cancelled.
The Newton Heath
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Gordonman

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323235 5Q36 Wolverton - Allerton
5Q86 Heaton - Eastleigh was cancelled
150215 5B42 Newton Heath - Crewe LNWR
156471 5A12 Holbeck - Heaton
5A20 Heaton - Holbeck also ran but with no allocation in the system.Any ideas anyone? 1564??
 

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Updated lists 05/07/20, corrections welcome. As 150150 has stayed at Crewe I think it's pretty much definite that it will come out with a refurbishment, those units going for a single week seem to be for CET tank fitment while the two week jobs are for a full internal refurbishment. 156471 is the latest out of Holbeck with 156454 taking its place. I haven't yet seen any post Holbeck internal photos of the 156's that have been so if anyone has any that would be interesting to see.

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Liveries

Northern livery with logos
Unbranded Northern livery
Old Serco-Abellio Northern purple
Unbranded First Scotrail Barbie
Unbranded First Great Western Blue
Unbranded Great Western Railway Green
158860 has thank you NHS livery


Units in italic are not PRM compliant but have received dispensation
# – Digital Train Modifications complete (USB, CCTV, additional PIS screens)
NCM - Northern Connect Mods (Seat reservations)
FGW – First Great Western
Prototype refurbishment – light blue seat backs, Arriva turquoise grab poles, cream coloured end walls


150001 - Unrefurbished, GWR moquette Ashbourne seats
150002 - Unrefurbished, GWR moquette Ashbourne seats


150101 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150102 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150103 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats

150104 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150105 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150106 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150107 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150108 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150109 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150110 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats
150111 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats

150112 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150113 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats
150114 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats
150115 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats

150116 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150117 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats
150118 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats

150119 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150120 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats

150121 - Unrefurbished, FGW moquette Ashbourne seats
150122 - Unrefurbished, FGW moquette Ashbourne seats
150123 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150124 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150125 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150126 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats

150127 - Unrefurbished, FGW moquette Ashbourne seats
150128 - Unrefurbished, FGW moquette Ashbourne seats
150129 - Unrefurbished, FGW moquette Ashbourne seats

150130 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150131 - Unrefurbished, FGW moquette Ashbourne seats
150132 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150133 – Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150134 – Refurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats

150135 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150136 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150137 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150138 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150139 – Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150140 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150141 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150142 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150143 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150144 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150145 – Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150146 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150147 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats

150148 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150149 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150150 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats (in works, Crewe)

150120,123 retain Silverlink NSE blue wall carpet
150136 has several rows of seats in airline layout

150201 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150203 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150204 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150205 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150206 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats

150209 - Unrefurbished, FGW moquette Ashbourne seats (no toilet)
150210 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats
150211 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150214 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats

150215 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150218 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats

# 150220 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150222 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150223 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats

150224 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150225 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150226 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats
150228 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150268 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats (in works, Doncaster)
# 150269 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150270 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
# 150271 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150272 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
# 150273 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150274 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
# 150275 – Refurbished (prototype style), new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150276 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150277 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats


150205 has a row of seats that were incorrectly fitted in a bay layout on refurb

155341 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
155342 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
155343 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
155344 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
155345 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
155346 - Refurbished (prototype style), new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
155347 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats


# 156420 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 156421 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156423 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 156424 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats

156425 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156426 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156427 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 156428 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156429 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
156438 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats

# 156440 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156441 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
156443 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156444 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats

156447 - Unrefurbished, old First purple moquette Ashbourne seats
156448 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156449 - Unrefurbished, old First purple moquette Ashbourne seats
# 156451 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
# 156452 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
156454 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats (in works, Holbeck)

# 156455 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156459 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
156460 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats (in works, Wolverton)
156461 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats (in works, Wolverton)
156463 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156464 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
156465 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats (in works, Eastleigh)

# 156466 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
156468 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156469 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156471 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156472 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156475 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156479 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156480 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156481 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156482 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156483 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156484 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats

156485 - Unrefurbished, old First purple moquette Ashbourne seats
156486 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156487 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156488 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156489 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156490 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156491 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156496 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats


Refurbished 156 units with Richmond seats but old purple moquette seats (and 156468) retain floor carpet, this is replaced during work at Holbeck

158752 - Refurbished (prototype style), dark blue moquette MTB seats
158753 - Refurbished (prototype style), dark blue moquette MTB seats (in works, Holbeck)
158754 - Refurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats
158755 - Refurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats
158756 - Refurbished (prototype style), dark blue moquette MTB seats
158757 - Refurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats
158758 - Refurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats
158759 - Refurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats

158782 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats

158784 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158786 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158787 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats (in works, Crewe)
158789 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158790 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158791 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats
158792 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158793 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158794 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158795 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158796 -
Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats

158797 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158815 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
158816 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats (in works, Bristol Barton Hill)
158817 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats

158842 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
158843 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
158844 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats

# 158845 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats, NCM complete
158848 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
# 158849 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats, NCM complete
158850 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats (in works, Crewe)
158851 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats
158853 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats
158855 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats

158859 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158860 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158861 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats
158867 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158868 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158869 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158870 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158871 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats

158872 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats

158901 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158902 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158903 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158904 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158905 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158906 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158907 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158908 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158909 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158910 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats


158752 has cream coloured end walls instead of navy blue

158752-759, 782, 786, 789, 867-871 retain the parcels cupboard in the 57 end vehicle

# 170453 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170454 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170455 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170456 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170457 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170458 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170459 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170460 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170461 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170472 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170473 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170474 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170475 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170476 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170477 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170478 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats

170453-458 retain an old first class section (declassified) at each end of the train

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Northern livery with logos
Unbranded Northern livery
Old Serco-Abellio Northern purple
Unbranded Thameslink White/Blue


FCC - First Capital Connect
Units not in bold are now off lease
Units in italic are not PRM compliant but have received dispensation (except 319373)

319361 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319362 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319363 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319364 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats

319365 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319366 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319367 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319368 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319369 – refurbished, dark purple “Northern Electrics” moquette seats
319370 – refurbished, FCC moquette seats

319371 – refurbished, dark purple “Northern Electrics” moquette seats
319372 – unrefurbished, FCC moquette seats and interior
319373 – unrefurbished, FCC moquette seats and interior
319374 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319375 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319376 – refurbished, dark purple “Northern Electrics” moquette seats
319377 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats

319378 – refurbished, dark purple “Northern Electrics” moquette seats
319379 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats

319380 – refurbished, dark purple “Northern Electrics” moquette seats
319381 – refurbished, FCC moquette seats
319382 – refurbished, dark purple “Northern Electrics” moquette seats
319383 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319384 – refurbished, FCC moquette seats
319385 – refurbished, FCC moquette seats
319386 – refurbished, dark purple “Northern Electrics” moquette seats

319446 – unrefurbished, FCC moquette seats and interior

769424 – refurbished, FCC moquette seats
769431 – refurbished, FCC moquette seats
769434 – refurbished, FCC moquette seats
769442 – refurbished, FCC moquette seats
769448 – refurbished, FCC moquette seats
769450 – refurbished, FCC moquette seats
769456 – refurbished, FCC moquette seats
769458 – refurbished, FCC moquette seats


319367 has additional PIS screens fitted although never used
319446 and all Northern 769s retain a declassified first class section

323223 – unrefurbished, old purple moquette seats
323224 – unrefurbished, old purple moquette seats
323225 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats (in works, Wolverton)
323226 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323227 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323228 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323229 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats

323230 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323231 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats (in works, Wolverton)

323232 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323233 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323234 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323235 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323236 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323237 – unrefurbished, old purple moquette seats
323238 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323239 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats

333001 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333002 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333003 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333004 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333005 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333006 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333007 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333008 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333009 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats (in works, Derby RTC for Bogic Bolster crack repairs)
333010 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333011 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333012 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333013 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333014 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333015 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats

333016 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
 

superkev

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Thanks for above list.
I believe the only units Northern have which are still running around without PRM mods are 156s 447, 449, 485 and 323s 223, 224, 237. Thats apart from the 153s and Pacers of course.
Additionally I have 3x156s and 2x323s as currently receiving PRM mods in works.
K
 
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Jamesrob637

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Thanks for above list.
I believe the only units Northern have which are still running around without PRM mods are 156s 447, 449, 485 and 323s 223, 234, 287. Thats apart from the 153s and Pacers of course.
Additionally I have 3x156s and 2x323s as currently receiving PRM mods in works.
K

Six months after the original deadline. They'll hopefully all be done or in works by September.
 

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Thanks for above list.
I believe the only units Northern have which are still running around without PRM mods are 156s 447, 449, 485 and 323s 223, 234, 287. Thats apart from the 153s and Pacers of course.
Additionally I have 3x156s and 2x323s as currently receiving PRM mods in works.
K
Couple of typos: the 323s outstanding for PRM work are 223, 224 and 237.
 

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Just an update on 156489. It has new seat covers but the tip up seats have the old Northern covers on them. It retains the carpet and the seat backs have not been painted. So is identical to 156468.
 

Jamesrob637

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and a good thing that is too. The Serco-Abellio 323 interiors were appalling and well past due for a refresh.

Don't I know it :p used the damn things almost every day in '16/'17. Now they look fresher I almost never use them!
 

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Don't I know it :p used the damn things almost every day in '16/'17. Now they look fresher I almost never use them!
I guess that would have been when, aside from the occasional 319, the 323s were the only EMUs in south Manchester. In contrast, last time I went there earlier this year it had really changed - gone is the guarantee (or close to it) of a 323 on the electrified commuter routes out of Piccadilly, you could get a 319, 331 or even a 150 if you're unlucky.
 

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I guess that would have been when, aside from the occasional 319, the 323s were the only EMUs in south Manchester. In contrast, last time I went there earlier this year it had really changed - gone is the guarantee (or close to it) of a 323 on the electrified commuter routes out of Piccadilly, you could get a 319, 331 or even a 150 if you're unlucky.

319s won't be around too much longer thank God but we will have 769s which is more or less the same thing. The worst now are the pre-refurb 150s but looking at 158757's update (158757 and Superkev, many thanks for keeping us updated) there aren't even many of these left now. 195s and 331s have an excellent interior in my eyes and I don't find the seats too bad given they're mixed purpose trains.

On a side note Journey Check is showing no short formations today thos evening peak so it looks like Northern have enough units to cover this "semi-emergency" timetable, as I'll put it.
 

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319s won't be around too much longer thank God but we will have 769s which is more or less the same thing.
The 319s are about as close as it gets to an electric 150. Based on the same bodyshell, and built only a few years later by the same manufacturer, and they share lots of the interior features.

As I'm sure you're aware, the original plan was replacement of the 323s with 319s. Madness!
The 319s really struggle to keep to 323 timings due to their poorer acceleration (and of course they lack the 'go-faster' pattern-pulsed motor sounds:D) so I'm very glad they went back on that.
 

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The 319s are about as close as it gets to an electric 150. Based on the same bodyshell, and built only a few years later by the same manufacturer, and they share lots of the interior features.

As I'm sure you're aware, the original plan was replacement of the 323s with 319s. Madness!
The 319s really struggle to keep to 323 timings due to their poorer acceleration (and of course they lack the 'go-faster' pattern-pulsed motor sounds:D) so I'm very glad they went back on that.

To be fair, that was because Porterbrook decided they didn't want to renew the lease for the Northern franchise's 323s, instead hoping the new West Midlands franchise operator would take them on so they'd all be with one TOC, with Northern leasing more 319s to replace them. As we all know, it didn't work out that way at all!

I think if Arriva Rail North were able to choose between having either the 319s or the 323s, then they'd have chosen the latter. They're much better trains in every department.
 

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STP moves for 11/07 so far

 

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STP moves for 11/07 so far


Following STP/VAR schedules have been added
 

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Following STP/VAR schedules have been added
Wolverton works to Crewe lnwr works an unusual move presumably a Portabook dmu,
Of dmus I have 156 460 (17 Jun), 461 (28 May) and 150 147 (20 Jun) at Wolverton.
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Wolverton works to Crewe lnwr works an unusual move presumably a Portabook 156.
I have 156 460 (17 Jun) and 461 (28 May) at Wolverton.
K
As of early this morning these are what are away at external locations

323225, 323231, 323235, 150147, 156460 and 156461 at Wolverton
156465 at Eastleigh
156471 at Holbeck possibly leaving tomorrow
158816 at Bristol BH
158850 and 158796 & 150149 and 150150 at Crewe
158753 at Holbeck
333009 still at Derby hopefully back before the end of the month
150268 at Wabtec Kilmarnock
195021 at Newport CAF factory
Don't forget 150147 is at Wolverton.
 

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