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Northern Unit Refurbishments

3973EXL

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Thanks. Northern seem to be getting near the end of the refurb program with I think 6 150/1 and 5 158s to visit works. Just digital mods left to do.

Re 150/1s I have 150 113, 114, 115, 117, 118, 121 in old livery still to visit works for interior refurb and repaint. Presumably one of the above has gone to Crewe today to join 150 135.

Re 158s I have 158 791, 851, 855, 861, 872 to visit works. 158 842 and 853 are at Bristol and Crewe works.

K
Think it's 150122 in FGW not 121 for a repaint.

Plus, of course, 156447 ex Scotrail.
 
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That gave me a flashback to when SWT's 159s had a payphone in the corner, looks like it was the same corner as that carpet with that little shelf! Definitely a throwback.
 

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I find the new seats absolutely fine. The seat base is perfectly comfortable for a 2 hour journey (unlike the class 700 seat base) and the backrest is upright and firm to aid good posture. Leg room is also excellent.

As I mentioned upthread (which most people have largely subsequently ignored) the original seats in the refurbished 3 car sets has a ridiculously thick seat base meaning you sit with the small of your back above the lumber support which causes pain on short journeys and subsequently it means the table and arm rests are way too low. I know it’s possible to have a shallower seat base cushion to rectify this but it is unlikely to happen now. The leg room is also poor in these seats.

I think people just don’t like them because they associate them with the poor version of the seat base in the class 700. They just join in with the ‘ironing board seats (I hate that phrase) are bad’. Put it this way, they’re a massive improvement over the awful Ashbourne seats.
Everyone is entitled to their views Neptune,but I preferred the Ashbourne seats over the new ironing board type seats. At least they were cushioned.
 

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156447 is still unrefurbished in all its ScotRail glory and is on a Newcastle - Carlisle/ Hexham diagram today.
150122 remains in FGW blue and is working Manchester - Buxton.
150121 I haven't seen for a while so i'm unsure of it's condition but it is out right now on 2H31 Chester - Piccadilly.
 

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156447 is still unrefurbished in all its ScotRail glory and is on a Newcastle - Carlisle/ Hexham diagram today.
150122 remains in FGW blue and is working Manchester - Buxton.
150121 I haven't seen for a while so i'm unsure of it's condition but it is out right now on 2H31 Chester - Piccadilly.
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A bit of 1991 West Yorkshire PTE wall carpet nostalga still left on 158907!View attachment 84225
Not fully refurbed then. Some of these refurbs are shocking. Years ago refurbs had a uniform change. Units had the same seating, interior design, tables lighting etc under franchise change. These days it's like pick and mix.
3 or poss 4 types of seating
Poss 4 types of lighting
Different tables
Now bits of areas of British rail era left untouched.

Refurbs years ago had everything done at once. Paint jobs etc.
SWR being a prime example of non consistent refurbs joint with Northern.
All units should have a uniform interior change.
Only 2 158 units(think) have new tables with wood finish. 845/9.
To me a majority of Northern DMU stock remains unrefurbished or not a full refurbishment.
 

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Todays Holbeck to Heaton running
156 469 perhaps which went there for interior mods on 27Sept.
K

Not fully refurbed then. Some of these refurbs are shocking. Years ago refurbs had a uniform change. Units had the same seating, interior design, tables lighting etc under franchise change. These days it's like pick and mix.
3 or poss 4 types of seating
Poss 4 types of lighting
Different tables
Now bits of areas of British rail era left untouched.

Refurbs years ago had everything done at once. Paint jobs etc.
SWR being a prime example of non consistent refurbs joint with Northern.
All units should have a uniform interior change.
Only 2 158 units(think) have new tables with wood finish. 845/9.
To me a majority of Northern DMU stock remains unrefurbished or not a full refurbishment.
I think the most disappointing thing about Northern interior refurb and exterior repaint has been it's all cosmetic.
Watching a newly done 158 leaving Sowerby Bridge a while back under a haze of black smoke withvthe emergency hoppers open made this apparent.
What an opportunity to bring what are probably Northerns most comfortable trains (the 158s) upto modern standards of fuel efficiency and pollution as well as finally sorting that air con.
K
 
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Not fully refurbed then. Some of these refurbs are shocking. Years ago refurbs had a uniform change. Units had the same seating, interior design, tables lighting etc under franchise change. These days it's like pick and mix.
3 or poss 4 types of seating
Poss 4 types of lighting
Different tables
Now bits of areas of British rail era left untouched.

Refurbs years ago had everything done at once. Paint jobs etc.
SWR being a prime example of non consistent refurbs joint with Northern.
All units should have a uniform interior change.
Only 2 158 units(think) have new tables with wood finish. 845/9.
To me a majority of Northern DMU stock remains unrefurbished or not a full refurbishment.

All 158/8s will get the wood table finish I believe, any that were due to become connect units. The 3 cars have them too. I do agree though, EMT had a fleet of hotch potch units but managed to bring them to a much more consistent standard despite different leasing companies.

Todays Holbeck to Heaton running
156 469 perhaps which went there for interior mods on 27Sept.
K

I'm told it was 156486 although I'd be surprised if 156469 was still there too.
Does anybody know which 150 went for refurb yesterday?

Does anybody have the up to date depot allocations for the 150s?

I believe all /2's except 209, 226 and 268 are now NL allocated. All 150/1's are NH based.

Updated lists 04/10/20, corrections welcome. Any updates on the 3 car 158's and 156's are appreciated. Quite a few units that have had moquette changed recently, updates on these are also appreciated. Still no ID on the 150 that went to Crewe yesterday. If my list is correct, 8 156's left at Heaton to go through the work at Holbeck, 6 still in purple plus 468/489 for the flooring and seat back painting work.

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Liveries

Northern livery with logos
Unbranded Northern livery
Old Serco-Abellio Northern purple
Unbranded First Scotrail Barbie
Unbranded First Great Western Blue


Units in italic are not PRM compliant but have received dispensation
# – Digital Train Modifications complete (USB, CCTV, additional PIS screens)
# - Northern Connect Mods (Seat reservations)
Prototype refurbishment – light blue seat backs, Arriva turquoise grab poles, cream coloured end walls

150001 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150002 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats

# 150101 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150102 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150103 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats

150104 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150105 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150106 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150107 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150108 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150109 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150110 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150111 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats

150112 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150113 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats (in works, Crewe)
150114 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats
150115 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats

150116 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150117 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats
150118 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats

150119 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150120 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats

150121 - Unrefurbished, First Great Western moquette Ashbourne seats
150122 - Unrefurbished, First Great Western moquette Ashbourne seats
150123 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150124 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150125 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150126 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats

150127 - Unrefurbished, First Great Western moquette Ashbourne seats
150128 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150129 - Unrefurbished, First Great Western moquette Ashbourne seats
150130 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150131 - Unrefurbished, First Great Western moquette Ashbourne seats
150132 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150133 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150134 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats

150135 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats (in works, Crewe)
150136 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150137 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150138 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150139 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150140 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150141 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150142 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150143 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150144 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150145 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150146 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150147 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats

150148 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150149 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150150 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats

150120, 123, 128, 130 retain Silverlink NSE blue wall carpet
150136 has several rows of seats in airline layout

150201 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150203 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150204 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150205 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150206 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats

150209 - Unrefurbished, First Great Western moquette Ashbourne seats (no toilet)
150210 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150211 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150214 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats

150215 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150218 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats

# 150220 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150222 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150223 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats

150224 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150225 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150226 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats

# 150228 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150268 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150269 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150270 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
# 150271 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150272 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
# 150273 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150274 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
# 150275 – Refurbished (prototype style), new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150276 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150277 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats


150205 has a row of seats that were incorrectly fitted in a bay layout on refurb

155341 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
155342 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
155343 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
155344 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
155345 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
155346 - Refurbished (prototype style), new blue moquette Chapman seats
155347 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats


# 156420 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 156421 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156423 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156424 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats

# 156425 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156426 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156427 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156428 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156429 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
156438 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats

# 156440 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156441 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
156443 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156444 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats

156447 - Unrefurbished, old First purple moquette Ashbourne seats
156448 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156449 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats (in works, Eastleigh)
# 156451 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats

# 156452 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
156454 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats

# 156455 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156459 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156460 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156461 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
156463 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
# 156464 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
156465 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats

# 156466 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
156468 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156469 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats (in works, Holbeck)
156471 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156472 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156475 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156479 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156480 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats (RAF 100 vinyls)
156481 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156482 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156483 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156484 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats

156485 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats (in works, Eastleigh)
156486 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156487 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156488 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156489 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156490 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156491 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156496 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats


Refurbished 156 units with Richmond seats but old purple moquette seats (and 156468/156489) retain floor carpet, this is replaced during work at Holbeck

158752 - Refurbished, new blue moquette MTB seats
158753 - Refurbished, new blue moquette MTB seats
158754 - Refurbished, new blue moquette MTB seats
158755 - Refurbished, new blue moquette MTB seats
158756 - Refurbished, new blue moquette MTB seats
158757 - Refurbished, new blue moquette MTB seats
158758 - Refurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats
158759 - Refurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats

158782 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats

158784 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158786 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158787 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158789 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158790 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158791 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats
158792 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158793 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158794 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158795 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158796 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats

158797 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158815 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats

158816 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158817 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats

158842 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats (in works, Bristol Barton Hill)
158843 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158844 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats

## 158845 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158848 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
## 158849 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158850 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158851 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats
158853 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats (in works, Crewe)
158855 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats
158859 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158860 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats (Thank you NHS vinyls)
158861 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats
158867 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158868 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158869 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158870 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158871 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats

158872 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats

158901 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158902 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158903 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158904 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158905 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158906 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158907 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158908 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158909 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158910 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats


158752 and 158756 have cream coloured end walls instead of navy blue

158752-759, 782, 786, 789, 867-871 retain the parcels cupboard in the 57 end vehicle

# 170453 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170454 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170455 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170456 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170457 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170458 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170459 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170460 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170461 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170472 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170473 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170474 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170475 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170476 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170477 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170478 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats

170453-458 retain an old first class section (declassified) at each end of the train

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Liveries

Northern livery with logos
Unbranded Thameslink White/Blue


319361 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319366 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319367 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319368 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319369 – refurbished, dark purple “Northern Electrics” moquette seats
319370 – refurbished, First Capital Connect moquette seats

319372 – unrefurbished, FCC moquette seats and interior
319375 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319378 – refurbished, dark purple “Northern Electrics” moquette seats
319379 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319381 – refurbished, First Capital Connect moquette seats
319383 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319384 – refurbished, First Capital Connect moquette seats
319385 – refurbished, First Capital Connect moquette seats
319386 – refurbished, dark purple “Northern Electrics” moquette seats


769424 – refurbished, First Capital Connect moquette seats
769431 – refurbished, First Capital Connect moquette seats
769434 – refurbished, First Capital Connect moquette seats
769442 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
769448 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
769450 – refurbished, First Capital Connect moquette seats
769456 – refurbished, First Capital Connect moquette seats
769458 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats


319367 has additional PIS screens fitted although never used
All Northern 769s retain a declassified first class section

323223 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats (in works, Wolverton)
323224 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats (in works, Wolverton)

323225 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats

323226 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323227 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323228 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323229 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats

323230 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323231 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats

323232 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323233 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323234 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323235 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323236 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323237 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323238 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323239 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats

333001 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333002 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333003 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333004 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333005 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333006 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333007 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333008 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333009 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333010 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333011 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333012 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333013 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333014 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333015 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats

333016 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
 
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150113 is apparently the missing 150/1 from Saturday, I've updated the list above to reflect this.
 

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STP 10/10

STP 11/10

Update 10/10
WTT runners
0259 NH - Wolverton
0808 Wolverton - NH

STP runners
5N31 0940 Wolverton - NH 156
5B31 1014 Crewe - NH 150/1
5E14 1016 Barton Hill - HT 158

STP caped
5E12 0917 Crewe - HT
 
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STP 10/10

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Update 10/10
WTT runners
0259 NH - Wolverton
0808 Wolverton - NH

STP runners
5N31 0940 Wolverton - NH
5B31 1014 Crewe - NH
5E14 1016 Barton Hill - HT
Thanks for todays runners to from works.
Nunbers anyone.
Should reduce the 16 or so units still needing interior refurb.
Wifi fitment program etc next I suppos with well over 100 units not having it.
K
 

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Bristol to Heaton has left. Can't remember if it's 158 842 or 853?
I have 158 842 as going HT to Bristol 30th Aug and 158 853 HT to Crewe on 12 Sept
I have NH 150 142 at Wolverton with the 2 323s from Allerton
I have Heatons 156 449 (13 June) 156 485 (13 Aug) still at Eastleigh
I have 150 113, 135, 205 at Crewe
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Numbers -
0259 NH - Wolverton 150143
0808 Wolverton - NH 150142

STP runners
5N31 0940 Wolverton - NH 156 156452
5B31 1014 Crewe - NH 150/1 150135
5E14 1016 Barton Hill - HT 158 158842

STP caped
5E12 0917 Crewe - HT

New one appeared: 1405 NH-Wolverton 156420

 
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