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Norwich to Diss early 21st Century stock

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robbeech

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Hopefully a quick one to answer, i’ve tried to look but can’t seem to pinpoint the dates.
I’ve always liked the railway but have only really become particularly interested in the last 10 years so despite going on trains I’m not sure what they are likely to have been so hoping some can give me some clues.

One particular journey I remember doing was between Norwich and Diss, and return. I suspect it would have been around 2000-2001. It was certainly loco hauled with slam Door each way but couldn’t tell you if it was diesel or electric. My limited knowledge rather tells me it’ll either be a 47, or I guess an 86, 87 or 90 but I’m not sure what was used when.
Any way to narrow it down or were they using alsorts back then.
Obviously it’s not in anyway important, just curious.

The other one I believe I can answer, I did a trip to London for a birthday with my parents probably around the same time, maybe a little earlier (certainly after 98 as the Robin Hood line was fully open). We got an HST in one direction but a DMU on the way back. I assume this was likely to be a Midland Mainline 170 and they didn’t use anything else down there.
 
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alistairlees

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It will have been an 86.

Class 90s were not introduced until 2004. It was part of the franchise agreement with NXEA if I remember correctly. It took quite a while for them to actually be introduced - there were many teething availability problems - so the 86s soldiered on for longer than had been expected.

I don't recall 87s ever being used.

Duffs were phased out in something like the late 80s or early 90s, when it was electrified. I can't remember the exact dates now.
 

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Definitely an 86 with Mark 2 stock and a DBSO on the country end. Painted in Anglia Railways green.

Anglia also used Class 170s.

Source: They went past my school.
 

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Hopefully a quick one to answer, i’ve tried to look but can’t seem to pinpoint the dates.
I’ve always liked the railway but have only really become particularly interested in the last 10 years so despite going on trains I’m not sure what they are likely to have been so hoping some can give me some clues.

One particular journey I remember doing was between Norwich and Diss, and return. I suspect it would have been around 2000-2001. It was certainly loco hauled with slam Door each way but couldn’t tell you if it was diesel or electric. My limited knowledge rather tells me it’ll either be a 47, or I guess an 86, 87 or 90 but I’m not sure what was used when.
Any way to narrow it down or were they using alsorts back then.
Obviously it’s not in anyway important, just curious.

The other one I believe I can answer, I did a trip to London for a birthday with my parents probably around the same time, maybe a little earlier (certainly after 98 as the Robin Hood line was fully open). We got an HST in one direction but a DMU on the way back. I assume this was likely to be a Midland Mainline 170 and they didn’t use anything else down there.
Norwich-Diss would have been an 86/2 on a set of usually 9 or 10 Mk2d/e/f air-conditioned coaches often with a Mk3a RFM catering vehicle. They were replaced by Class 90s and Mk3 coaches from 2004/2005.

Depends which station in London. Anglia had their own 170s which operated one of the London-Norwich services each hour in the early 2000s, often extending to Lowestoft or Great Yarmouth, they were used to double the existing hourly Norwich service.

If it was St Pancras then the HSTs did the hourly fast Sheffield/Nottingham services while Midland Mainline's 170s did the semi-fasts which ran alternating to Derby or Nottingham and connected with the HSTs at Leicester or Derby. The 170s were introduced to regular service from May to June 1999 on Midland Mainline services, these were the first 170s in traffic. Replaced by the Class 222 Meridians (because the improved service greatly increased demand which the 170s then could not cope with even though 10 units were extended to 3-car in 2001) from May 2004 onwards.
 
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