Nottingham 'Bus War'

Discussion in 'Buses & Coaches' started by trentside, 21 Sep 2010.

  1. starrymarkb

    starrymarkb Established Member

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    Trent Already do so, Red Arrow every 10 mins. Stops only at the QMC (and then only really to keep it legally as a bus service rather then coach)
     
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    trentside Established Member Senior Fares Advisor

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    Further to the above, it now appears that the Red4 may actually follow the Rainbow 4 route to Stapleford, and then divert via Briar Gate, to Long Eaton. Even so, TrentBarton are still providing a Nottingham-Stapleford service every 10 minutes, combined with the less frequent 15/21 services, there is still an equally frequent service through Stapleford and Sandiacre.
     
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    Bring back Nottingham Omnibus!
     
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    the trouble with having all these extra buses into Nottingham is that Parliament Street is already chocca with buses and this is making things worse
     
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    I don't think the Red4 will use parliament street but I do agree with what you are saying :)
     
  6. trentside

    trentside Established Member Senior Fares Advisor

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    It depends whether they decide to route the Red4 via the 'City Loop' or not! I know the Red1 and Red2 both run around Colin Street, Fletchergate, then onto Victoria Centre and Parliament Street. Their argument for this is providing passengers with more convenience, and also to stop their routes looking like carbon copies of other operators. In reality, the time it takes to go around the Loop, you may as well get the Trent bus to Friar Lane and walk it!
     
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    That lasted a long time - Red 4 is withdrawn this month, Barginbus (Wellglade) raise prices in response!
     
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    While the Red4 may be gone, there is also now competition between Nottingham and Loughborough as Kinchbus has started running hourly on the route, competing with Premiere's half hourly X9 service. Fares on the Kinchbus route are £1 single and £2 return.

    Premiere recently stated on their Facebook page that further expansion plans were on hold because of the current "situation".
     
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    Not sure what to make of this to be honest, I live in Sandiacre on the route of all the buses so I thought it was great. 6 Trent Barton buses per hour, 3 Bargain buses per hour and 3 Red Fours per hour. So 2x more service and 4x cheaper faires is surely a good thing but the Wellglade Group/Trent Barton just appear to have stopped all competition in it's tracks and then raised prices. I don't like to see business practises like that.

    http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/n...ted-route/article-2999663-detail/article.html
     
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    Are you sure? What happened in places like Darlington?
     
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    Welcome to the world of capitalism, cmpetition, monopolies and market forces!
     
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    It is not a good thing if the service levels are way above the passenger numbers and the fares way below break-even point because it is unsustainable. This appears to be what you had for a short while and the inevitable happened with one of the competing operators (the weaker one that couldn't sustain operating at a loss) pulled out. The route will now quickly revert to fares high enough to make a profit for the operators and a frequency that matches demand. This is simply the reality of a de-regulated bus market.
     
  13. nctx

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    your bus are stepping up the battle a load of new Mercedes Citaro's on order for y36 , also looks lie they plan to take on City Transport on other routes . route 41 being looked at as well as 35.
     
  14. trentside

    trentside Established Member Senior Fares Advisor

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    I believe, however, that they are withdrawing the Y100 between Nottingham and Southwell after only a few months.
     
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    You may get cheaper fares during a bus war, but that's only short term, in the long run there will only be one winner, & the winner will put up fares & cut the routes &, or frequencies. I do like the London way of doing things, were TFL set the routes/times/frequencies/fares & passes.

    It's ironic that Stagecoach sold there Darlington operations to Arriva a couple of years ago, & Stagecoach have been more prolific in using these type of tactics, they did the same thing to Lancaster & a few others.
     
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    Some of the citaros have arrived, I saw one on the Y36. The Y36 is a really success so good on them. Premiere on this other hand.. ugh
     
  17. trentside

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    I believe that NCT are starting to take the 'threat' posed by Yourbus quite seriously. Their recent order for 24x Optare Solo SRs included the quote that the buses would be used to provide "a more frequent service on competitive routes".

    http://www.optare.com/pr_02_03_11.htm
     
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    as far as im aware the plan was for the new solo's to go on route 70 yellow line, then the extra to go on routes to on green line routes.

    The price of used double decker low floors is so low right know, I think some of the Trident 2's will have to say a few more year's.

    Ensign are selling ex Metoline Ta's 1999 MODELS that are converted to single doors for £25 000.
    A trident used to be worth £40 000 all day long.

    As for Optare Excel 2's , I think the market for them has crashed ,there going for Leyland Lynx money.

    Theres 20 new Scania double deckers coming for go 2 routes.

    I think this will be the last of the current design , as thats been in production since 2003 for nct.

    There could be a order for 20 plus ADL 400 hybrids if ADL gets its pricing right, one of the trent bridge depot lads was told that ADL are willing to sell buses at cost to get orders right know , as its only london buying them.

    And Wrightbus are building the new Routemaster , thats going to First Westbourne for testing.
     
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    Some nice pronto busses on the Nottingham mansfield route, Leather seats, cheaper fares than the train, and somtimes faster.

    Compared to getting an Old 156, either not really dingy, or slightly refurbished, Or the slight chance of one of the EMT 168's that are just about as nice as the busses.

    Looks like EMT missed a trick, and pronto will win all the time unless people are using the train. (maybe a stop at nottingham station to totally beat the robin hood line? that would get emt thinking about refurbishment and price drops
     
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    Noticed that the price for Optare excels is cheap, maybe that why SWT (Neath) have bought at least 4 of them
     

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