Nottingham 'Bus War'

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  1. Deerfold

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    Lots of other improvements too - including an evening service on Monday-Thursday, an improved early evening service on Friday and Saturday and running half an hour earlier and an hour later on Sundays.
     
  2. Mitch in Notts

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    From the Notts & Derby website:

    Latest News
    NEW DAY TICKET
    Travel on any Notts & Derby service for just £6 per day for an adult. See your driver or call us for more details. Excludes express services.

    So that (mainly) covers:
    Unibus 4,5,6 in Derby
    3 Derby-Barrow (Rush hours on Trent V3)
    9 Derby-Ockbrook
    11 Derby-Ilkeston
    12 Derby-Sawley
    17/A Derby-Duffield
    35 Derby-Littleover
    50 Uttoxeter-Derby
    70 Derby-Barrow
    73 Derby-Weston
    D1 Park & Ride

    Worthwhile if the journeys right....
     
  3. nottinghamcity

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    Minor changes to NCT fares from 26th March 2017. Seems more like tweaking than a wholesale price rise
    Interestingly giving a financial incentive to use the ticketing with the mobile app.
    NCT Website
     
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    Trent Barton seem currently to be doing a more general wholesale rise of prices. Single fares rose by 10p on about half of their routes on 26th February and the same is happening on most of their remaining routes on 26th March.
    Also on 26th of February the Off Peak daily cap on the Mango Card rose by 20p from £5.00 to £5.20.
     
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    The Robin Hood fares are also going up. I think the NCT ones are the same price as on the app.
     
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    NCT cash fares (singles) are staying put at £2.00; Robin Hood and App will be cheaper at £1.90 - which is higher than the current Robin Hood of £1.70.

    NCT cash day ticket going up to £3.70 - Robin Hood and App to old cash fare of £3.50 (previously £3.15). The NCT App ticket is 24 hours from time of purchase - so you could go out from work, have a few drinks get the bus home, then get the bus back to work the following morning which is rather handy...
     
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    From March 13th Centrelink and Medilink will no longer be free according to Nottingham Post. The fare appears to be £1 single with Robin Hood PAYG or £1.20 cash and very confusing concessionary pass rules. If you are city resident it is still free on both Centrelink and Medilink however if from outside the city the medilink will no longer be free to the park and ride sites but if going from QMC to City Hospital will be free after 9.30am.
     
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    The Centrelink bus is now combined with the former Citylink 1 to Queens Drive P&R. I tried to use it last week for the short hop from the station to the Victoria and was surprised to be asked for a fare. I have emailed the council to point out that their leaflet incorrectly states that fares are only changed to/from Queens Drive, and also suggesting that charging from the railway station but not from the car parks at Broadmarsh and Victoria isn't good for integrated public transport.
     
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    If I recall correctly. The leaflet stated that a fare would be taken between Queens Drive and Broadmarsh Bus Station. Therefore by boarding the service at the Station you would be liable to pay the flat fare for traveling between the Railway Station and Broad marsh Bus Station, a distance of about 500 yards. With the remainder of service to the Victoria Centre free
     
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    Leaflet linked from http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/tr...ervices/citylink-1-and-2-bus-service-changes/

    I have contacted the Council to tell them this appears to be wrong.

    While digging that back out I've just noticed: http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/tr...edilink-and-centrelink-park-and-ride-service/

    So this (which applies from 13 March) would appear to suggest that the free part of Centrelink is being abandoned anyway.
     
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    I certainly read it that way. To clarify though, it is the free fares that are being abandoned, not the service itself, but in some ways it effectively amounts to that, since it will be seen as just another bus that does a loop of the city centre, rather than anything notable as for short journeys in the centre.
     
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    It's never even looped the city centre... I wonder how many people who use it would not have concessionary passes in any case? i.e. will it actually make a difference?
     
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    Comprehensive and prompt reply from the council public transport team. They advise that the driver shouldn't have tried to charge me from the station to Victoria Centre, but it's also rather academic as they confirm all journeys on Centrelink will be chargeable from March 13.

    I don't think they would have planned to launch a new Centrelink service at the end of January only to suddenly start charging for it from mid-March, so I can only assume this is the result of some sort of unforeseen funding crisis.
     
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    I've never used it when in Nottingham for shopping etc. I do occasionally use it if I want to get from the Victoria Bus Station to Broad Marsh Bus Station as part of a longer journey e.g. Hucknall to Keyworth. I will probably walk now. The only time that I may now still use it would be if it's pouring down with rain and I need to get from Victoria Bus Station to the Railway Station and I have luggage. That may not be more than once or twice a year!

    When you put all these fare rises together, Centrelink, NCT, Trent Barton plus Mango and Robin Hood Card. That's more or less a general across the board increase in fares for the bus passengers of Nottingham.
     
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    The few times I have used would say a fair number plenty of mothers with children and have seen a good number of students. Last time I used I was the oldest on it and I am middle aged.

    It is interesting the tram is now cheaper for short hop in the city with its £1 cash fare that runs between Trent University and the station.
     
  16. Mitch in Notts

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    From nctx website:

    LOCAL LINK BUSES OPERATED BY NCT
    1 day ago 13th March 2017, in Monthly Newsletter, Service Changes

    Nottingham City Transport currently operates three Local Link services on behalf of Nottingham City Council under contract:

    L10 between City, Wollaton and Beeston
    L11 between Beeston, Wollaton Vale, Bilborough, Bulwell, Bestwood Park and Arnold
    L14 between City, Hyson Green, Heathfield Estate and Bulwell
    NCT has handed back these contracts to Nottingham City Council and our last day of operating the L10, L11, L14 will be Saturday 29 April 2017.

    Nottingham City Council are sourcing a new operator for these services, who will begin operating them from Tuesday 2 May 2017.


    I think these were City Transports last remaining tendered routes?
     
  17. Robertj21a

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    Haven't these already been registered for ongoing service by Nottingham Community Transport ?
     
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    All 3 have been registered by Nottingham Community Transport according to VOSA.
     
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    Further reply from Nottingham City Council as to why they changed the Centrelink route and then imposed fares only six weeks later@

    This may also explain why most of the pre-January publicity for Centrelink is still in place, showing the old route and mentioning it is free. It will be interesting to see if this changes in the next few days/weeks.
     
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    Yourbus are advertizing their 2012 DF Streetlites for sale in this weeks Bus & Coach buyer/Routeone
     
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    Hi..

    If you want to know who funds Premiere, look at their bread and butter work - Schools and Council Contracts. Its the tax payer!

    PREVENTATIVE VEHICLE MAINTENANCE
     
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  22. Deerfold

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    If you're talking about the former bus operator in and around Nottingham, it's 4 years since they went into administration.
     
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    An interesting review of the history of premiere here. Wikipedia article

    They did indeed have a significant rendered and contract arm, but also expanded (too) quickly it's commercial bus and tour operations. Whilst this thread would take too much time to read in full, all of the details are covered here.

    For a bit of comedy see Aredflyer's posts!
     
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    On their website, they are still trying to flog the lavantes. Haven't they got rid of them yet? The depreciation must be getting significant by now.
     
  25. winston270twm

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    They were sold sometime ago, that section of the website hasn't been updated
     
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    Two are for sale in this week's trade press.
     
  27. winston270twm

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    There's 35 still showing as for sale on the Yourbus website, most / if not all have been with other operators for sometime.

    The 2 x 61 platers for sale this week with the DF Streetlites is the first time any have been advertized for sale for some time.
     
  28. Pigalle

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    From Derby City Council's Meeting Report for 15th March:

    "After receiving the outcome of a public consultation exercise, Cabinet voted through changes to the Council’s Concessionary Fares Scheme. It was agreed that the Red Arrow service to Nottingham would be withdrawn from the scheme, while the X38 service to Burton-upon-Trent would be retained. The move follows a similar decision taken by Nottingham City Council in April 2016."

    See: https://news.derby.gov.uk/meeting-report-council-cabinet-wednesday-15-february/

    Full paper here:

    https://cmis.derby.gov.uk/CMIS5/Doc...WGewmoAfeNQ16B2MHuCpMRKZMwaG1PaO=ctNJFf55vVA=
     
  29. Pigalle

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    From trentbarton, maybe of interest.

    Customers rank trentbarton drivers the best

    trentbarton drivers are the best in the bus business, according to the latest Transport Focus survey of passengers.

    The survey, which ran across the final four months of 2016, saw trentbarton’s drivers given the highest rating – 91.5 per cent – of all the bus companies in the national study.

    trentbarton discovered last week that its drivers were the best in Nottinghamshire. Now the overall results are in and they are the national number one.

    Transport Focus is the independent transport watchdog that represents the voice of customers and campaigns for better transport. It spoke to hundreds of passengers who were asked to give their views about punctuality, travel information, bus stops, waiting time, cleanliness and the drivers.

    Ratings for driver appearance, greeting, attitude and overall satisfaction all topped 90 per cent. trentbarton’s drivers also ranked top for smoothness of driving and safety. Customers felt more secure on trentbarton’s buses than other operators’.

    The only criticism voiced by passengers was about an issue beyond the control of trentbarton or any other bus company – congestion. Traffic jams were cited as a cause of slower journey time by more than one in three passengers affected.

    trentbarton managing director Jeff Counsell said: “We are absolutely delighted that our drivers have been judged the best in the country. We put a huge amount of effort into getting our recruitment and training right and this is reflected in our drivers being scored incredibly highly by our customers.

    “We are also delighted to see our score for value for money on the rise. Our great value ticket options combined with massive and ongoing investment in the fleet and its on-board technology and creature comforts adds up to a great offer.

    “This congestion trend has been worsening for three consecutive years now and everyone – all operators and their customers – need the local authorities to do their utmost to unblock the jams.”

    Source: https://trentbarton.co.uk/news-and-media/our-news/article/numberone2017

    Full survey results here: http://d3cez36w5wymxj.cloudfront.ne...03/22113710/TF-BPS_Autumn-2016-Report_web.pdf
     
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  30. nottinghamcity

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    I thought I would repost my opinion piece of the impact of the opening of the tram extensions​ on the bus services in the area. Interesting to review what has actually happened in the 2 years.

    Skylink - no major change
    18 - initially proposed curtailment or cancellation, but still similar to pre tram
    36, No change to route or frequency
    Y36 - cancelled
    Skylink Express New service, originally serving Clifton P&R
    48 Slight reduction in frequency
    Other changes in Clifton, but not major.

    Overall the impact of the tram has been limited.
     
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