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NRE offering expensive ranger ticket (rather than splitting)

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So I recently looked up Stockport to Marple on NRE. Some of the suggested journeys were via New Mills. What surpised me was the price quoted, £25 seemed excessive for a journey of that length.

It seems that for some reason (maybe the DFT's desire to get rid of "any permitted") all the tickets from Stockport to Marple are routed "via manchester". Normally when there are no tickets available for compelete journey but there are tickets available for individual legs, the NRE website will quote a split (and pop up a warning), while the NRE app won't quote a price at all but in this case both were quoting a price of £25.

Digging deeper into the website revealed what was happening (the app doesn't seem to give any further information on fares), it was quoting the price for a cheshire day ranger.

Anyone else run into instances of NRE quoting an excessive fare because a regular ticket doesn't exist, but a ranger does?
 
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Runcorn to Runcorn East. A split with Anytime tickets is offered for journeys before 9:30 but the more expensive Cheshire Day Ranger is shown for 'off-peak' journeys!
 

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NRE only offers a combination if there is no valid through fare

If you want splits, try a split ticketing retailer...
 

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For all its faults (of which there are many), the booking engine Chiltern and Grand Central use recognises that splitting at New Mills is appropriate. Unfortunately, it isn't clever enough to use the Return fares so tries to get you to buy four Singles (without providing a breakdown of exactly what it's selling you!)
 

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It seems that for some reason (maybe the DFT's desire to get rid of "any permitted") all the tickets from Stockport to Marple are routed "via manchester".

It'll be to keep the journey within Greater Manchester, as a "Greater Manchester" fare.
 

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It'll be to keep the journey within Greater Manchester, as a "Greater Manchester" fare.

TBH New Mills needs bringing properly into the GM area for transport purposes, like Hadfield/Glossop are. It makes no sense to have a situation where there's no through fare via the quickest route.
 

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It'll be to keep the journey within Greater Manchester, as a "Greater Manchester" fare.
Possibly, but Cheadle Hulme to Manchester Airport is valid via Manchester or Wilmslow despite the fare being set by TFGM. So it's a similar situation with one route via Manchester and another often quicker route via a station a couple of stops out of Greater Manchester.

Although I note that Eccles/Patricroft to Bryn (another TFGM set fare) is now only valid via Manchester. The only valid route used to be impossible as it was via Golbourne despite no trains stopping at Eccles/Patricroft on that route. It was then commonly accepted via Huyton, as this was by far the quickest route, but this now seems to have been eliminated.
 
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TBH New Mills needs bringing properly into the GM area for transport purposes, like Hadfield/Glossop are. It makes no sense to have a situation where there's no through fare via the quickest route.
Agreed, especially as there are different fares from both New Mills stations to Manchester, and in theory you can’t travel from one New Mills station (Central) to Manchester and return to the other (Newtown)

Always worth checking out TfGM Wayfarer at £14.40 for unusual journeys around Greater Manchester and lots of bits just outside as well! Valid after 0930 and no evening peak restrictions
 

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Always worth checking out TfGM Wayfarer at £14.40 for unusual journeys around Greater Manchester and lots of bits just outside as well! Valid after 0930 and no evening peak restrictions

Agreed. I'm in Wigan and anything beyond a straightforward trip to Manchester City centre, I normally get a Wayfarer, even if it's a couple of quid more than the return. Gives you flexibility to change plans/go somewhere else or to jump on a tram or bus if you want/need to. And, as you say, it goes beyond GM boundaries too - Buxton, Darwen, Warrington, Grindleford, Wilmslow, Alderley Edge. Great value ticket.
 

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Agreed. I'm in Wigan and anything beyond a straightforward trip to Manchester City centre, I normally get a Wayfarer, even if it's a couple of quid more than the return. Gives you flexibility to change plans/go somewhere else or to jump on a tram or bus if you want/need to. And, as you say, it goes beyond GM boundaries too - Buxton, Darwen, Warrington, Grindleford, Wilmslow, Alderley Edge. Great value ticket.
Shame the Wayfarer is no longer marketed properly, and I don’t think it can be purchased on board buses, at Metrolink tram stops or even in 2020 on your mobile phone, although I stand to be corrected on this one!

I do know that Sheffield station, won’t sell you one!
 

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Shame the Wayfarer is no longer marketed properly, and I don’t think it can be purchased on board buses, at Metrolink tram stops or even in 2020 on your mobile phone, although I stand to be corrected on this one!

I do know that Sheffield station, won’t sell you one!

You have never been able to buy them at any of those places.

Not being able to buy at Sheffield is probably a hangover from when they were sold as a scratch-off ticket.
 

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You have never been able to buy them at any of those places.

Not being able to buy at Sheffield is probably a hangover from when they were sold as a scratch-off ticket.

Its just Sheffield being Sheffield. I’ve been refused a Cheshire Day Ranger because ‘this is Yorkshire, duh’.
 

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Sheffield station ticket office has a reputation for being unhelpful when it comes to out of area tickets. I always found it strange because other EMR managed offices are quite happy to sell these 'forbidden' tickets.
 
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