NTV orders more next gen Pendolinos

[longhorn]

http://railcolornews.com/2018/07/31/it-five-extra-pendolino-evo-trains-for-ntv-now-22-ordered/

http://railcolornews.com/2016/12/15/the-first-pendolino-for-ntv-alstom-is-ready/

The nose was lengthened due to new safety rules.

 

[Adlington]

The nose was lengthened due to new safety rules.

Can you elaborate?

 

[longhorn]

Can you elaborate?

Per the article.

 

[longhorn]

Can you elaborate?

https://www.railwaygazette.com/news...ntv-unveils-futuristic-pendolino-styling.html

 

[Adlington]

Thank you.
OTOH the 1st article quoted in the 1st post says

The five new Pendolino trains will include the same features and technical specifications as the five Pendolinos previously ordered

Which is yet another example that if you want to prove any point, you'll find a supporting story on the internet

 

[longhorn]

Thank you.
OTOH the 1st article quoted in the 1st post saysWhich is yet another example that if you want to prove any point, you'll find a supporting story on the internet

True, but in this case its factual. The lengthened nose is due to a change in safety regulations started in 2014. I am curious if the TGV Avelias will get the same nose treatment.

 

[Bletchleyite]

There's something very distinctly Alstom about the new nose, it has more than a passing resemblance to those IC EMUs for SNCF.

 

[longhorn]

Doesn't the Pendolino pax cars ride on shared boogies or trucks like the AGV?

 

[Bletchleyite]

Doesn't the Pendolino pax cars ride on shared boogies or trucks like the AGV?

No, as can be seen from the video you posted

 

[daikilo]

No, as can be seen from the video you posted

Actually, the sets NTV has today are a mix of ETR575 Pendolinos on shared bogies, and ETR675 which aren't and don't tilt despite apparently being called Pendolino; both can be seen in the video. I believe the latest order is for more of the latter.

The Alstom site appears to suggest that all the Avelia range will be on shared bogies as well, but are they? SNCF has just ordered 100 which are, and are also bi-level but non-tilt.

 

[AlexNL]

The ETR575 is not a Pendolino, that is an Alstom Avelia AGV very high speed train. Technically capable of 360 km/h, but allowed to go 300 km/h in commercial service.

The ETR675 is an Avelia Pendolino, but has non tilting bogies as none of the routes served by those units need tilt.

 

[Giugiaro]

Then what was the point of opting for the Pendolino platform? The cars are narrower to allow tilt and slide without the train trespassing the loading gauge. If it doesn't tilt, it's basically wasting free space.

 

[daikilo]

Then what was the point of opting for the Pendolino platform? The cars are narrower to allow tilt and slide without the train trespassing the loading gauge. If it doesn't tilt, it's basically wasting free space.

Good question which I presume Italo and/or Alstom can answer (such as future proofing).

Having sifted through more bits of Alstom's website/s, it seems everything hi-speed is now called Avelia whether the passenger cars be on shared bogies or not. Most text suggests that the Pendolino configuration is only possible with conventional bogies, but there is a visual of the Amtrak Acela on a curve and appears to suggest shared bogies and tilt. Alstom quote 100mm as the internal width difference between tilt and non-tilt, but don't quote the height and this probably also includes the effect, if any, of shared vs conventional bogie centres.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Then what was the point of opting for the Pendolino platform? The cars are narrower to allow tilt and slide without the train trespassing the loading gauge. If it doesn't tilt, it's basically wasting free space.

PKP did the same stupid thing, but like the Bangkok airport express thing's use of what are basically Class 360s, I think there may be an element of them having seen a New Pendolino and said "I want that one".

 

[Giugiaro]

... there is a visual of the Amtrak Acela on a curve and appears to suggest shared bogies and tilt.

Indeed, Jacobs and Tiltronix.

 

[longhorn]

Indeed, Jacobs and Tiltronix.

Updated pics

http://railcolornews.com/2017/10/08...-acela-high-speed-trains-will-look-like-this/

 

[AlexNL]

Having sifted through more bits of Alstom's website/s, it seems everything hi-speed is now called Avelia whether the passenger cars be on shared bogies or not.

Correct, Avelia is the category name for high speed trains.

Alstom have the following product categories:
Citadis = trams
Metropolis = metro's
Prima = locomotives
X'Trapolis = suburban trains
Coradia = regional/IC trains
Avelia = high speed (250+ km/h)

 

[longhorn]

Then what was the point of opting for the Pendolino platform? The cars are narrower to allow tilt and slide without the train trespassing the loading gauge. If it doesn't tilt, it's basically wasting free space.

I read it was for simpler maintenance, cheaper to buy and the route used it was not needed.