Nuclear Trains - Terrorist Targets?

Status
Not open for further replies.

jonb

Established Member
Joined
8 Jun 2005
Messages
1,600
Location
Essex
Was given this leaflet about Nuclear Trains passing through Stratford and the London area containing chemicals which if emmitted could release nuclear gas and spread for miles. Basically the point these people are trying to make is to ban Flask Trains running in London all together to stop the risk of this occuring.

I will attach an image later once I resize it, etc.
 
Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R

RailUK Forums

jonb

Established Member
Joined
8 Jun 2005
Messages
1,600
Location
Essex
Cheers TC, anyway I believe that there is real no threat because the times of the flasks change all the timer as well as the days they run for instance the Bradwell (Southminster) Flask has run Tuesdays, Thursdays, Fridays.
 

Simming

Established Member
Joined
8 Jun 2005
Messages
1,186
Location
Cornwall
do they know they would need a nuclear warhead to get to the Nucs stuff inside anyway? :roll:

It could even budge when a peak at a ton hit it, so a couple of guys trying to pick at it with a shovel aint going to do much are they?
 

richa2002

Established Member
Joined
8 Jun 2005
Messages
2,143
The Nuclear Flask trains run when they are required. A terrorist has to plan months even years in advance to do an attack and still they wouldn't know if the train would run the day they think. Anyway, I thought the flasks could withstand nearly anything that hit them!
 

jonb

Established Member
Joined
8 Jun 2005
Messages
1,600
Location
Essex
I think Yorkie has hit the idea head on basically yesterday they were trying to get the trains BANNED from passing through the Stratford area.
 

Tom B

Established Member
Joined
27 Jul 2005
Messages
4,554
They don't appear to care about the rest of the country (as usual) - but only about London?

I don't know if anyone else has seen the vido at the NRM, but they hit a nuclear flask with a peak and it was left intact.
 

Simming

Established Member
Joined
8 Jun 2005
Messages
1,186
Location
Cornwall
they've done loads of test with the flask. they've dropped it from some great height, onto its corner, and the worst that happend was a very very small spray of water came out, which was harmless.
 

jonb

Established Member
Joined
8 Jun 2005
Messages
1,600
Location
Essex
More news recieved apparently they plan to re-route the Flasks from Sizewell and Southminster via Peterborough and ECML. However the Southminster would have to reverse meaning a Top and Tailed formation...
 

rbruce1314

Member
Joined
30 Jul 2005
Messages
19
Location
up a gum tree
Cockfosters said:
Why is a flask more dangerous when it's in Stratford rather than Peterborough?
Because Londoners consider themselves more important than any one else in the world? :?: :?: :?:

BTW I too have seen the video of the 'peak into a flask' and impressive it is too. There is no way that even a determined terrorist could get into one of those things
 

Jonno2055

Member
Joined
9 Aug 2005
Messages
390
Location
Essex
If i took my camera to the level crossing near me to film some of the stock and that train comes along, i hop they at least pay for a new camera when they shoot at it.
 

rikfarish

New Member
Joined
10 Aug 2005
Messages
2
To hell with the peak, what about the driver. Hope was paid 12 for that!! ;)

Well if the NIMBYs are getting their knickers in a twist, lets move the stuff by road then.

Flasks have been running around for at least twenty years now with no instances of any radioactive release.

The AEA Constabulary (they have a new name, can't remember whats its called) occasionnaly travel on them anyway.

Whenever fuel rods from submarine reactors are conveyed, they always have an armed escort.

Got some nice pics of these moves, but if i showed you them i would have to kill you immediately afterwards.
 

Dave A

Established Member
Joined
7 Jun 2005
Messages
1,161
rbruce1314 said:
Cockfosters said:
Why is a flask more dangerous when it's in Stratford rather than Peterborough?
Because Londoners consider themselves more important than any one else in the world? :?: :?: :?:
While I can't deny this :P. I think its basically because Stratford is more built up than Peterborough. From a residential point of view, there are more people in Stratford more at risk than some parts of Peterborough, if something like this was to happen.
 

Nick

Member
Joined
8 Jun 2005
Messages
976
Flasks are safer by rail, if they were run by road they'd be a lot less secure and have had more accidents
 

Tom B

Established Member
Joined
27 Jul 2005
Messages
4,554
The peak was modified so they had a solebar-level lever which someone turned "on" a few miles down the line and then they stood back and watched the train accelerate.

They used to have brakevans until '97, but now no longer need them. BTW, does *any* traffic these days need brakevans?
 

Tom B

Established Member
Joined
27 Jul 2005
Messages
4,554
I think they were put on with police to keep the NIMBYs and environmentalists (who think that wind power will keep the country running - not unless it goes up John Prescott's backside!) quiet. However, they now IIRC travel in the locomotive. Might also have something to do with extra collision resistance at the back.
 

Jonno2055

Member
Joined
9 Aug 2005
Messages
390
Location
Essex
At 5pm today i saw the nuclear train pass my house near witham station this is what it was comp[rised of in this order:

1EWS class 66
1 green Mk1
The flask
1 green Mk1
1 Ews Class 66

This is just getting stupid now. 2 mark1 coaches and 2 diesels now?
 

Tom B

Established Member
Joined
27 Jul 2005
Messages
4,554
May be for extra protection. Top 'n' tailing would most definately help, two locos often were on nuclear work (suppose they don't want it lingering if there's a breakdown) and perhaps the Mk1s (were they BSKs?) were put in as extra protection after the 7th July.
 

Derek Kaye

Member
Joined
9 Jun 2005
Messages
188
Location
Loughborough
When they come past me, they are usually a combination of 2 or 3 DRS cl20, 33 or 37 double/tripple headed and then a load of flasks. There is nothing at the back normally.
 

william

Established Member
Joined
13 Jul 2007
Messages
1,219
Location
Durham
there was a radioactive release from a truck travelling over the yorkshire dales and pennines a couple of years ago
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Top