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I'm on a rather tired Super Sprinter to Bolton at the moment. It occurred to me that the G4S/Northern manual gateline at Manchester Victoria must be a bit of a hazard if there's an emergency requiring evacuation. They have a load of metal barriers up and force everyone through a little chicane. I know automatic gates have an emergency plunger to open them all at once. What would happen if MCV had to be evacuated?
 
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Wouldn't they deactivate the barriers and make it so everyone can get through?

These are the metal barriers you get at the side of the road during a parade etc. They are not susceptible to being "deactivated".
 

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On the day Arriva took over Northern Spirit, they stopped a guard on the bridge at Manchester Piccadilly who was on his way to platform 14 to work a Liverpool train.

Not recognising the uniform they stopped him walking through and said 'you bus drivers think you can travel free everywhere, just 'coz your in uniform... now either buy a ticket or go away..."

Guard was only too happy to oblige, and returned to the messroom, leaving 150 passengers on the waiting Liverpool train going nowhere.

FAIL :)
 

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Guard was only too happy to oblige, and returned to the messroom, leaving 150 passengers on the waiting Liverpool train going nowhere.

FAIL :)

Do you mean the guard failed, because he thought it was more important to get one over on G4S than to do his own job properly?
 

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I'm on a rather tired Super Sprinter to Bolton at the moment. It occurred to me that the G4S/Northern manual gateline at Manchester Victoria must be a bit of a hazard if there's an emergency requiring evacuation. They have a load of metal barriers up and force everyone through a little chicane. I know automatic gates have an emergency plunger to open them all at once. What would happen if MCV had to be evacuated?

As far as I am aware, the barriers are not buried in the ground, meaning they can be moved.
 

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Do you mean the guard failed, because he thought it was more important to get one over on G4S than to do his own job properly?

How can he do his job if somebody is preventing him, being aggressive?

I was on a road review day last year and walked through 13/14 at Picc in my Uniform Shirt and Tie. G4S stopped me and asked where my ticket was.
 

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Do you mean the guard failed, because he thought it was more important to get one over on G4S than to do his own job properly?

I was going to say better one delayed train and they never stop guards in uniform again, but seeing Bellwater's post made me realise that it didn't work.
 

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I was going to say better one delayed train and they never stop guards in uniform again, but seeing Bellwater's post made me realise that it didn't work.

Two of them ran down to my train earlier in the week, "that guy's been abusive to our staff" to a regular passenger.. Thought aye right that's good coming from you where a passenger has asked me if they can buy a ticket on the train I've said yes and they've stood in front of them trying to stop them.
 

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This critisism is a bit over the top, a few crappy barriers at Victoria to try and protect Northerns revenue. In an emergency they could easily be just shifted, anyone could do it. The big problem with barriers at victoria is that it's all interlinked with the MEN arena and the car park. To get through the barrier you need a train ticket or a car park ticket or if you're bored with all that then most regulars must know the obvious and easy routes to avoid the gateline and get on the platform
 

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Apropos of nothing, assuming there were an evacuation, how do you get wheelchair passengers off the island platform (P4/5) at Victoria?

Is it OK to use the lifts, or would they be escorted over the tracks?
 

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Apropos of nothing, assuming there were an evacuation, how do you get wheelchair passengers off the island platform (P4/5) at Victoria?

Is it OK to use the lifts, or would they be escorted over the tracks?

Sure I'll be corrected but they seem to be fire lifts...
 

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Sure I'll be corrected but they seem to be fire lifts...

That they may be, but are they for the purposes of evacuation or the movement of firefighters, or both? There are differences, or so I am told.

Also, what happens in the slightly-less-than-obscure situation that the lift motors are the cause of the fire, I wonder? That recently happened at a station local to me, where the lifts are the only method of wheelchair access to two of the platforms.
 
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