Off peak - journey break?

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wrailing

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Hi Guys,
I have an off peak from Paignton to Yate (out 8/03/12, return 12/03/12)

Can I break (out and back) for a few hours (same day) at Bristol Temple Meads (where I change trains)?

Will the ticket be retained by the machine leaving Bristol TM?


Just for Info.
I have train/seat number reservations out and back. Would have to change the return Bristol TM train to a later time to allow for the extra few hours looking round Bristol. Not worried about not having a later seat reservation, just whether they will let me on the later off peak train with an earlier train reserved seat off peak ticket.

Kind Regards

Angela
Is there a validity code database (or is it an expert lookup task with a pdf), to save me burning forum member's time again?
 
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You are fine to break your journey at any point along your journey on this ticket :smile:

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Break of journey is permitted.

These are the general rules regarding break of journey:-
National Rail Conditions of Carriage said:
16. Starting, breaking or ending a journey at intermediate stations You may start, or break and resume, a journey (in either direction in the case of a return ticket) at any intermediate station, as long as the ticket you hold is valid for the trains you want to use. You may also end your journey (in either direction in the case of a return ticket) before the destination shown on the ticket. However, these rights may not apply to some types of tickets for which a break of journey is prohibited, in which case the relevant Train Companies will make this clear in their notices and other publications.
Conditions for Off Peak Return (SVR) tickets
http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/service/ticketterms/show?ticketTypeCode=SVR

National Rail Enquiries said:
A break of journey is allowed on the outward portion unless otherwise indicated by a restriction shown against the ticket's Restriction Code and is allowed on the return portion of your ticket.
Restriction Code for this ticket is: WG
Avantix Traveller NFM11 said:
Restriction : WG
OFF-PEAK TICKETS IN THE WEST
COUNTRY, DEVON AND CORNWALL

Available as listed below
Mondays to Fridays (by any
train on Saturdays, Sundays
and Bank Holidays). This
applies to both outward and
return travel.

Tickets are valid on all
trains timed to depart at or
later that 0833, unless travel
is from a station listed below
where tickets are valid on all
services timed to depart at or
later than the time shown:

FROM:
Avoncliff _______________0820
Avonmouth 0750
Bradford on Avon ________0815
Cheltenham Spa 0825
Chippenham 0815
Clifton Down 0805
Ivybridge 0810
Lawrence Hill 0815
Menheniot 0810
Montpelier 0810
Newton Abbot_____________0825
Redland 0805
St. Andrews Road_________0745
St. Germans 0815
Saltash 0810
Sea Mills 0800
Severn Beach_____________0740
Shirehampton 0755
Stapleton Road 0810
Swindon 0820
Westbury_________________0822
Weston-Super-Mare 0820
Worcester Shrub Hill_____0825

TRAVEL FROM STATIONS NOT
LISTED ABOVE:
Off-Peak_tickets from
stations not listed are valid
for connections into trains
departing as shown above.

TRAVEL OVER THE CHRISTMAS/NEW
YEAR PERIOD: Restrictions are
lifted on First Great Western
services from 24 December 2012
to 1 January 2013 inclusive.

OVERNIGHT BREAK OF JOURNEY(SEE
START OF THIS SECTION) -
RESTARTING JOURNEY FROM AN
INTERMEDIATE STATION: on day
2, restrictions as_and journey
must recommence before 1200.
BVS/BVR/SVS/SVR OFF-PEAK
FSR/FSS/SFR/BFR/BFS
OFF-PEAK (First Class)

Outward/Single/Return Travel:
_____________AVAILABLE ANY DAY

Ticket Code: BVS/SVS
Ticket Class: STANDARD
Ticket Name: OFF-PEAK
Single/Return: SINGLE
Out Validity:-
Day - DATE ON TICKET
Time - SEE BELOW
Break of Jrny: (OUT) YES
Pre-Booking Requirement: NONE
Reservations Compulsory: NO
Child Discount: YES
Railcard Discount: YES
Group Discount: YES
Refunds: SEE 'REFUNDS' SECTION

Ticket Code: FSS/BFS
Ticket Class: FIRST
Ticket Name: OFF-PEAK
Single/Return: SINGLE
Out Validity:-
Day - DATE ON TICKET
Time - SEE BELOW
Break of Jrny: (OUT) YES
Pre-Booking Requirement: NONE
Reservations Compulsory: NO
Child Discount: YES
Railcard Discount: YES
Group Discount: YES
Refunds: SEE 'REFUNDS' SECTION

Ticket Code: BVR/SVR
Ticket Class: STANDARD
Ticket Name: OFF-PEAK
Single/Return: RETURN
Out Validity:-
Day - DATE ON TICKET
Time - SEE BELOW
Return Validity:-
Day - ONE CALENDAR MONTH
Time - SEE BELOW
Break of Jrny: (OUT) YES
(RTN) YES (SEE NOTES BELOW)
Pre-Booking Requirement: NONE
Reservations Compulsory: NO
Child Discount: YES
Railcard Discount: YES
Group Discount: YES
Refunds: SEE 'REFUNDS' SECTION

Ticket Code: FSR/SFR/BFR
Ticket Class: FIRST
Ticket Name: OFF-PEAK
Single/Return: RETURN
Out Validity:-
Day - DATE ON TICKET
Time - SEE BELOW
Return Validity:-
Day - ONE CALENDAR MONTH
Time - SEE BELOW
Break of Jrny: (OUT) YES
(RTN) YES
(SEE NOTES BELOW)
Pre-Booking Requirement: NONE
Reservations Compulsory: NO
Child Discount: YES
Railcard Discount: YES
Group Discount: YES
Refunds: SEE 'REFUNDS' SECTION

NOTES:
1) Time restrictions are
indicated by a restriction
shown against the ticket's
validity code.
2) Holders of Off-Peak ticket
types SVS/SVR, which are
discounted using 16-25, Senior
, Disabled Persons, HM Forces
and Family & Friends Railcards
, New Deal Photocards and
Inter-Rail (Code 70) Cards,
may use ANY Virgin_train
service, provided that the
route on the ticket is not
"Virgin Trains Only" and the
journey being made is priced
by Virgin Trains. If the
journey is not priced by
Virgin Trains then the stated
Off-Peak restictions apply.
3) Only Senior, Disabled
persons and HM Forces
Railcards discounts are
offered with First Class
Off-Peak Tickets.

BREAK OF JOURNEY

Break of journey is allowed on

the outward portion of
Off-Peak tickets UNLESS
OTHERWISE INDICATED BY A
RESTRICTION SHOWN AGAINST THE
TICKET'S RESTRICTION CODE, and
in all cases on the return
portion of Off-Peak return
tickets.


Off-Peak Singles and the
outward portion of Off-Peak
Returns are valid for travel
on the date shown on the
ticket. Where a passenger
wishes to stop overnight or
the journey cannot be
completed within one day,
break of journey for an
overnight stay is allowed.
Where a journey does continue
into the next day, travel must
resume before 1200 and any
relevant time restrictions
apply. No further break of
journey is allowed except for
the purpose of changing
trains. Please note that break
of_journey is not permitted on
some journeys, as detailed_in
the ticket restrictions.

Return portions of Off-Peak
Return tickets are valid for
travel until 0230 on the day
following the last day of
validity (i.e. one calendar
month from outward journey).
If a passenger is_still
travelling at 0230, they
may stay on the train to
complete that part of the
journey but no further break
of journey is allowed and all
travel must be completed by
1200.

Note: Cross London transfers
will only be accepted by
London Underground on the
date shown on the ticket (or
last day of validity for
Off-Peak Returns) and until
0429 the following day.

TICKET INFORMATION:
Off-Peak tickets are not valid
when the journey is affected
by a restriction shown against
the ticket's restriction code.

Tickets with a 'Maltese Cross'
shown in the route description
allow transfer across London
on London Underground,
Docklands Light Railway or
First Capital Connect
(Thameslink route) services
appropriate to the route of
the through journey being made

Any local restriction easement
can be found in the Easements
section- Easements
introduction to view.

Travel restrictions do not
apply on Public Holidays.

NETWORK AREA:
The London & South East
Network Area is shown in the
London Area Fares section E0

Off-Peak tickets for journeys
starting within the Network
Area to destinations outside
the Network Area with travel
via London are valid by any
train to London, to connect
with trains from London.

Off-Peak tickets for journeys
starting outside the Network
Area for travel via London use
restrictions from the origin
station to London and return.
Unless shown otherwise, they
are unrestricted between
London and the destination
station, and return.

SELLING AN OFF-PEAK TICKET
Customers should be told of
any restrictions which may
affect any part of their
journey.

Where available, an
information card giving ticket
validity details should be
given out with each Off-Peak
ticket.
 

wrailing

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Thanks for your quick replies, Transportphoto and Yorkie.



Saved me a lot of concern.



Angela
Hopefully those nice station people at Bristol TM won't take my ticket and will let me on the later train! I'll tell them it's a WG.
 

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When booking, you can specify a longer time for transfers to engineer a few hours break but still having reservations for the correct trains. This applies even in the case of advance tickets - but of course, then you would only be able to stop off to use station facilities at the "break" station (but that could provide the opportunity to meet a friend/colleague, especially if the station has decent lounge facilities or an on-site pub!
 

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So does that apply for off peak day returns throughout the country? I'm doing Cambridge-Felixstowe tomorrow and want to break at Ipswich.
 

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So does that apply for off peak day returns throughout the country? I'm doing Cambridge-Felixstowe tomorrow and want to break at Ipswich.
Break of journey is always allowed on both portions of an Off Peak Day Return so what you want to do is fine.
 

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So does that apply for off peak day returns throughout the country? I'm doing Cambridge-Felixstowe tomorrow and want to break at Ipswich.
There shouldn't ever be any restrictions on break of journey on either outward or return portions of Off Peak Day Return (CDR) tickets. (However there are some restriction codes used by LM that break this principle, but this only applies to Route: LM Only flows, not inter-available tickets. I have doubts that the codes are complaint, let alone enforceable).

The rules officially do allow for such a restriction but if that is the case "the relevant Train Companies will make this clear in their notices and other publications" so if they do not do this, then the restriction does not stand according to NRCoC.

If they did introduce such restrictions then I would ask some questions as I was told that the new rules, since Simplification, that allowed them to introduce such a restriction, were not designed to introduce more restrictions. I was promised that the new rules were in fact increasing the number of tickets that allowed break of journey, not decreasing them.

Before Simplification it was apparently "complex" and all tickets of the code CDR (then called Cheap Day Return) allowed break of journey on both portions. Since Simplification is is apparently more "simple" and we are now supposed to check the restriction code for CDR (now called Off Peak Day Return) tickets.
 

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Hopefully those nice station people at Bristol TM won't take my ticket and will let me on the later train! I'll tell them it's a WG.
It is highly unlikely your ticket will be retained by a human at the exit of a station when it has or could have further validity. There's a small possibility of it happening with a badly-programmed gate, but you can always ask a gateline attendant to fish it out.
 

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. . . , but you can always ask a gateline attendant to fish it out.
I have had exactly that request refused at Temple Meads. Politely but firmly refused.

(After some time, the expense of an additional ticket, some correspondence and more time later, my 'financial loss' was re-imbursed, but my consequential losses were permanent.)
 

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I have had exactly that request refused at Temple Meads. Politely but firmly refused.
Oddly, I too have had a refusal of a request to retrieve a ticket unexpectedly retained at Bristol Temple Meads. It was firmly refused, but not particularly politely.

Since that incident, I have politely, but firmly refused to place any railway ticket in a barrier at that station.
 

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Bristol Temple Meads barriers have cropped up before. Several people have reported problems.

The barriers retained my ticket. I was told that I should have anticipated that (despite this not being the behaviour at stations that I regularly use tickets at, such as King's Cross) and it was my fault. I should have asked to be let through manually and not used the ticket gates, I was told. I had to talk to an incredibly rude woman who finally did let me through, but she was reluctant and treated our group as if we were a huge inconvenience to her.

However I would not expect the barriers to retain a ticket that retained validity onward to Yate, so there should be no problems for the OP.
 

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If there is a general problem in the set-up of barriers at a station, as there appears to be here, shouldn't this get reported to the regulators for some action?

It's not good enough for customers to routinely be treated rudely and forced to grovel for their ticket back, when it shouldn't have been taken in the first place.
 
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