Oldest class still in regular service

[childwallblues]

As a class the 150/2 are incomplete, but the 150/1 are complete. And all at the same depot.

Only since 150105/7/9 recently arrived.

 

[Tetchytyke]

142s are older than the 150s and, as a class, are pretty much intact. At least for now.

When the pacers finally get turned into baked bean tins, the oldest DMUs will be the 150s.

The PEPs are dying off slowly, as are the 317s, so I'd say the oldest intact EMU class is the 318 or the 455?

 

[Mikey C]

142s are older than the 150s and, as a class, are pretty much intact. At least for now.

When the pacers finally get turned into baked bean tins, the oldest DMUs will be the 150s.

The PEPs are dying off slowly, as are the 317s, so I'd say the oldest intact EMU class is the 318 or the 455?

Why I highlighted the 150s is that while there are older stock out them, most them are facing full or partial withdrawal imminently. The SWR 455s will be replaced by 701s for example.

 

[delt1c]

If we are including units, it has to be either 455 ,317/6 or for a complete class 318. There have been 483,s withdrawn post conversion. 1 317 carriage was withdrawn due to accident damage pre introduction to service.

 

[delt1c]

For locos has to be 91's but not for long

 

[NorthWestRover]

Interesting discussion, as I expected. I had no hard rules in my question. I certainly didn't expect any nominations from classes pre-1970! How many 313s have been withdrawn for age reasons, not as a result of accidents etc?

 

[bramling]

Interesting discussion, as I expected. I had no hard rules in my question. I certainly didn't expect any nominations from classes pre-1970! How many 313s have been withdrawn for age reasons, not as a result of accidents etc?

The class 313 fleet was intact and fully employed until very recently, although one unit was taken on by Network Rail as a test train after finishing with London Overground (does it do anything nowadays?). The three units so far sent for scrap were all withdrawn as part of the fleet replacement.

 

[reddragon]

Class 252. 1 of 2 power cars ; 4 coaches in current passenger fleet and all but 1 of rest in NMT

 

[co-tr-paul]

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[61653 HTAFC]

The class 438 must not only be the oldest in the UK, but amongst the oldest mainline trains in service in the world.
Certainly the developed world

The SNCF Z100/Z150 units date from 1909.

 

[43096]

Class 252. 1 of 2 power cars ; 4 coaches in current passenger fleet and all but 1 of rest in NMT

Not quite. 0 of 2 power cars (41001 is not exactly in daily use); 3 trailers in passenger fleet, 2 trailers stored ex-GWR, 2 trailers in the NMT and 1 trailer scrapped. So overall 5 of 10 vehicles in main line use.

 

[Royston Vasey]

The SNCF Z100/Z150 units date from 1909.

Like he said, the developed world

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Not quite. 0 of 2 power cars (41001 is not exactly in daily use); 3 trailers in passenger fleet, 2 trailers stored ex-GWR, 2 trailers in the NMT and 1 trailer scrapped. So overall 5 of 10 vehicles in main line use.

Aren't 2903 and 2904 in the Royal Train former prototype HST vehicles?

 

[43096]

Aren't 2903 and 2904 in the Royal Train former prototype HST vehicles?

They are, but they were never part of 252001.

 

[anamyd]

Arctic Troll said:
142s are older than the 150s and, as a class, are pretty much intact. At least for now.

When the pacers finally get turned into baked bean tins, the oldest DMUs will be the 150s.

GWR's two 1984 150/0s are actually slightly older than the oldest 1985 142s/143s

 

[MatthewRead]

GWR's two 1984 150/0s are actually slightly older than the oldest 1985 142s/143s

Both were built around the same period the 142's arrived in March 1985 and the 143's followed in September of that year.

 

[ed1971]

GWR's two 1984 150/0s are actually slightly older than the oldest 1985 142s/143s

According to my Platform 5 fleetbook, the Class 150/1s were built between 1985-86, 150/2s built 1986 -87 and 142s built 1985-87. That would mean that the later 142s are a year newer than the later 150/1s.

 

[hexagon789]

They are, but they were never part of 252001.

I'm probably wrong but it thought they were spares - one being a TF the other a TS. The prototype vehicles being 4 TF, 4 TS, TRUK, TRSB.

 

[43096]

I'm probably wrong but it thought they were spares - one being a TF the other a TS. The prototype vehicles being 4 TF, 4 TS, TRUK, TRSB.

They were - but they were taken out of the HST fleet before it was reclassified as 252001.

 

[hexagon789]

They were - but they were taken out of the HST fleet before it was reclassified as 252001.

When it was still classified as loco-hauled coaching stock?

 

[43096]

When it was still classified as loco-hauled coaching stock?

Yes - pool of ten coaches (10000, 10100, 11000-003, 12000-003) to go with the two power cars (41001/2).

 

[hexagon789]

Yes - pool of ten coaches (10000, 10100, 11000-003, 12000-003) to go with the two power cars (41001/2).

Thank you.

 

[anamyd]

According to my Platform 5 fleetbook, the Class 150/1s were built between 1985-86, 150/2s built 1986 -87 and 142s built 1985-87. That would mean that the later 142s are a year newer than the later 150/1s.

yes, indeed

 

[anamyd]

Both were built around the same period the 142's arrived in March 1985 and the 143's followed in September of that year.

I was talking about the 150/0s, which were built in 1984, the same year the 141s were built, making them very early Sprinters.

 

[D365]

All of 507, 508, 317 and 455 have lost cars, in the case of 317 and 455 with replacement cars having been made up.

Which cars have been lost from the 317s? I wasn't aware of any severe enough accident damage.

 

[Aictos]

The class 313 fleet was intact and fully employed until very recently, although one unit was taken on by Network Rail as a test train after finishing with London Overground (does it do anything nowadays?). The three units so far sent for scrap were all withdrawn as part of the fleet replacement.

To be pendantic, it was used solely for the testing of the ERMTS signalling on the Down Hertford between Hertford North and Langley Junction a few years ago and yes it did get fitted with a toilet!

No idea what it does those days though...

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Which cars have been lost from the 317s? I wasn't aware of any severe enough accident damage.

77048 was written off in 1983.

A replacement was built in 1987 but given the same number.

 

[The Crab]

The entire class of BR Standard 8P 4-6-2 (1954) is still in service.

 

[Strathclyder]

IIRC some 507s were written off after an arson attack at Birkenhead North. One vehicle now forms part of a 314 but I'm not sure if it's still in traffic.

The 314 in question was 314203 (this one is still hanging on in traffic, for now anyway). It's original Driving Motor Standard Open (DMSO) vehicle (no. 64588) was completely destroyed in the fatal Newton (South Lanarkshire) collision on 21st July 1991, having to be cut up at the accident site. 203's present 64588 came from the disbanded 507022 (which had been withdrawn after a collision at Kirkdale TMD the same year IIRC); that vehicle was previously numbered 64426.