Open Data Train Timetable Websites

Which is your favourte Open Data site?

  • Open Train Times

    Votes: 39 41.5%
  • Trains.im

    Votes: 8 8.5%
  • Timetables

    Votes: 5 5.3%
  • Timetables 2

    Votes: 42 44.7%

  • Total voters
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SprinterMan

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There are 4 main websites (or there seem to be) that we use on here to access open data train times. I don't know much about them, but I was wondering which one is best. Which do you think is best? What do you use most often? My opinions are shown below. Please comment.

Adam :D


Open Train Times
http://www.opentraintimes.com/
Pros
  • First website to use open data (I think)
  • Simple User Interface
  • Shows what class of stock operates services (i.e. Class 317, Class 321 etc.)
  • Shows train facilities
Cons
  • Can only be used 10 days in either the past or the future
  • Does not show extra workings on departure boards pages


Trains.im
http://trains.im/
Pros
  • Shows maps of train's route
  • Easy to use
  • Shows what type of stock operates services (i.e. DMU, EMU etc.)
  • Can be used for any day
Cons
  • Calendar infinite so not clear where data exists
  • Does not show empty stock workings or extra workings on departure boards pages


Timetables
http://traintimes.im/
Pros
  • Superb user interface, lots of detail possible
  • Easy to use
  • Shows when data is accurate for (next 85 days)
Cons
  • Cannot be used for any previous date
  • Does not show empty stock workings or extra workings on departure boards pages
  • No detailed mode on departure boards pages
  • No info on type of stock used

Timetables 2
http://rail.staging.swlines.co.uk/
Pros
  • Shows all extra trains and empty stock movements
  • Always uses detailed mode
  • Shows entire day's worth of trains on one page
  • Can be used for any day
  • Shows what trains are formed from/go on to form (e.g. formed from 2W86 from London Liverpool Street)
Cons
  • Dates infinite so not clear where data exists
  • No calendar
  • Very complicated to use
  • No info on type of stock used
  • Horrendously difficult user interface
 
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There are 4 main websites (or there seem to be) that we use on here to access open data train times. I don't know much about them, but I was wondering which one is best. Which do you think is best? What do you use most often? My opinions are shown below. Please comment.

Adam :D


Open Train Times
http://www.opentraintimes.com/
Pros
  • First website to use open data (I think)
  • Simple User Interface
  • Shows what class of stock operates services (i.e. Class 317, Class 321 etc.)
  • Shows train facilities
Cons
  • Can only be used 10 days in either the past or the future
  • Does not show extra workings on departure boards pages


Trains.im
http://trains.im/
Pros
  • Shows maps of train's route
  • Easy to use
  • Shows what type of stock operates services (i.e. DMU, EMU etc.)
  • Can be used for any day
Cons
  • Calendar infinite so not clear where data exists
  • Does not show empty stock workings or extra workings on departure boards pages


Timetables
http://traintimes.im/
Pros
  • Superb user interface, lots of detail possible
  • Easy to use
  • Shows when data is accurate for (next 85 days)
Cons
  • Cannot be used for any previous date
  • Does not show empty stock workings or extra workings on departure boards pages
  • No detailed mode on departure boards pages
  • No info on type of stock used

Timetables 2
http://rail.staging.swlines.co.uk/
Pros
  • Shows all extra trains and empty stock movements
  • Always uses detailed mode
  • Shows entire day's worth of trains on one page
  • Can be used for any day
  • Shows what trains are formed from/go on to form (e.g. formed from 2W86 from London Liverpool Street)
Cons
  • Dates infinite so not clear where data exists
  • No calendar
  • Very complicated to use
  • No info on type of stock used
  • Horrendously difficult user interface
How do you get it to do this? Doesnt seem to work for train at Euston or St Pancras.
 

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If the interface was improved and it was tidied up (maybe merged with the first version), then Timetables 2 could be a good program, just needs a lot of work.
 

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It's probably because Liverpool Street, like Paddington or Marylebone, is controlled by an IECC where the signalling system has to know which train forms which for Automatic Route Setting purposes. At other places it isn't necessary as trains are signalled manually.
 

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on rail.staging.swlines.co.uk a blue line over times does this mean trains not running or something else according to the site thanks.
 

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Feedback is welcome.

However, it is intended as a power user interface as it gives a lot of power over the output.
Tom, thanks for reading this thread. :)

I think what puts people off Timetables 2 is the fact that it looks rather like a spreadsheet or database program, and most people have a preconceived perception of what these are like. From a core usability point of view, there's not much that says which bits are required for showing the trains you want - the labeling could be improved somewhat!

I really like the data that you've included - it's really thorough - and the colour codes are pretty good, but I reckon the CAN and VAR colour codes need swapping around.

My real point is that I would hope that even power users could have an easier interface, and that Timetables could benefit from the data and options in Timetables 2. Perhaps it could be a bit like Google and Google Advanced Search, with more choices for selecting options shown on the activation of a button.

If you want any feedback on future changes, I will be very happy to provide this by PM or in threads on here. Good luck with developing these projects! :)
 

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Open Train Times was my favourite until the freight disappeared, so it's Timetables 2 for me now!

Timetables 2 isn't the most intuitive, but for my uses, it's the only one.
 

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I tend to use Open Train Times, although I like the Timetables 2 feature of showing what service some trains are formed from/going to form.
 

The Planner

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It's probably because Liverpool Street, like Paddington or Marylebone, is controlled by an IECC where the signalling system has to know which train forms which for Automatic Route Setting purposes. At other places it isn't necessary as trains are signalled manually.
Indeed, called associations and if they aren't inputted correctly can cause right fun and games.
 

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The biggest con that is not mentioned about Timetables 2 is that there is not a headcode search. Otherwise it is a really useful site.
 

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Open Train Times
http://www.opentraintimes.com/
Pros
  • First website to use open data (I think)
  • Simple User Interface
  • Shows what class of stock operates services (i.e. Class 317, Class 321 etc.)
  • Shows train facilities
Cons
  • Can only be used 10 days in either the past or the future
  • Does not show extra workings on departure boards pages
Here is open train times for august bank holiday sunday http://www.opentraintimes.com/location/FPK?day=26&month=8&time=0852&year=2012 you just need to edit the URL - though looking this far in advance the VAR/STP won't have been thought of yet!
 

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Open Train Times
http://www.opentraintimes.com/
Pros
  • Shows what class of stock operates services (i.e. Class 317, Class 321 etc.)
Doesn't seem to work very well. It lumps 75mph Sprinters together, so you don't know which type is booked, and looking at Saturday's 13:08 Milford Haven to Manchester it thinks a class 158 is a 100mph unit. Have ATW's been upgraded from 90mph to 100? Also, it says the 08:04 Fishguard Harbour - Manchester is booked for a 75mph Class 150/153/155/156 DMU.

Is this open data easy to get hold of, and is bus timetable data available free and easily too? Obviously it wouldn't be easy to make a website to use the data, but just wondering somebody could combine bus and train data into a journey planner that's more user friendly than traveline cymru's website.
 

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Is this open data easy to get hold of, and is bus timetable data available free and easily too? Obviously it wouldn't be easy to make a website to use the data, but just wondering somebody could combine bus and train data into a journey planner that's more user friendly than traveline cymru's website.
Yes. http://data.atoc.org and Traveline recently released TNDS which is the national bus dataset: http://traveline.info/tnds.

Working on mashing them up together.
 

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Timetables for me. I understand it is not the most complex site out there, but I like its user-friendly interface. I also use it to plan days out, much more useful I find than keep making new journeys on the NRE journey planner!
 

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Doesn't seem to work very well. It lumps 75mph Sprinters together, so you don't know which type is booked, and looking at Saturday's 13:08 Milford Haven to Manchester it thinks a class 158 is a 100mph unit. Have ATW's been upgraded from 90mph to 100? Also, it says the 08:04 Fishguard Harbour - Manchester is booked for a 75mph Class 150/153/155/156 DMU.
It used to say "DMU", and the "Timed for" entry gave you 100mph for a 175 and 90mph for a 158.
It now says 158 for both 90 and 100 (can't see a 175 quoted anywhere).

It also shows a 75mph set on several Manchester-Cardiff workings today/tomorrow.

Looks like it needs a bit more tweaking.
As it's not a commercial site, one can hardly complain.
 

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Timetables for me. I understand it is not the most complex site out there, but I like its user-friendly interface. I also use it to plan days out, much more useful I find than keep making new journeys on the NRE journey planner!
I will agree that Timetables has by far the best interface, I'm surprised it hasn't got more votes tbh :P
 

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For me it's Timetables 2 as it shows all the extra workings. I haven't found it difficult to use, it's not that customer-friendly, maybe, but seems quite straightforward.
 
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For me it's Timetables 2 as it shows all the extra workings. I haven't found it difficult to use, it's not that customer-friendly, maybe, but seems quite straightforward.
Agree.....didn't little test for 12 may when I know there is special working on Central wales Line. Timetables 2 is only one which shows it PLUS another one which I wasn't aware of!
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Please excuse my ignorance but going back to timetables2 why are some pass trains marked in red? And what are the initials preceding each train in the "IND" column. For example please look at example below for Llandeilo on Cent Wales Line:

http://rail.staging.swlines.co.uk/?...edule_type=0&show_wtt=1&show_var=1&show_stp=1
 

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WTT is Working timetable and is the schedule that was offered to the TOC back in 2011. VAR means variant, and is a STP schedule that is altered from the original WTT train for either that day or for a period of time. It is also used for one offs like charters aswell.
 

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WTT is Working timetable and is the schedule that was offered to the TOC back in 2011. VAR means variant, and is a STP schedule that is altered from the original WTT train for either that day or for a period of time. It is also used for one offs like charters aswell.
OK....all clear. Thanks.
 

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Feedback is welcome.

However, it is intended as a power user interface as it gives a lot of power over the output.
The one improvement I would make is to the location selection. If you get the station name slightly wrong it comes up with a list of possible options but you can't just click on the one you want to select it. Alternatively, some sort of auto-complete feature like on OpenTrainTimes would be good.
 

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I don't think anyone has actually asked for the date selector on the front page of OpenTrainTimes to be changed so it's easy to query for more than 10 days ahead or behind! I am in the middle of a redesign, so I'll take this as a feature request.

On the subject of showing freight and other "non-passenger TOC" workings - I've hidden them voluntarily. Through the work I've done over the past year and a half, I've built up a good name for myself within NR and various other parts of the industry for actively challenging the status quo. Freight schedules are not an exception to this, and after a close shave with a train operator I won't name, I took the decision to remove freight from view and ask Network Rail to make a statement about the legitimacy of it.

As anyone who's photographed on railway stations must know, staff can turn a blind eye, tolerate your presence, or be absolutely OK with it. Wouldn't it be nice if we could get a proper answer about freight schedules and - if it's a "yes" - end the constant elitism over people who have schedule gen and people who don't?

So whilst this might lose me points on this popularity contest, please be aware that I am looking at this from more than a popularity point of view. It's a vehicle for improving the way many of you engage in your hobby and passion,
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Doesn't seem to work very well. It lumps 75mph Sprinters together, so you don't know which type is booked, and looking at Saturday's 13:08 Milford Haven to Manchester it thinks a class 158 is a 100mph unit. Have ATW's been upgraded from 90mph to 100? Also, it says the 08:04 Fishguard Harbour - Manchester is booked for a 75mph Class 150/153/155/156 DMU.
Lots of people mistake the traction that a path is timed for with what will actually run the service. London Overground services on the Gospel Oak - Barking line are shown as "Class 150/153/155/156 DMU" because that's what the path is timed at.

I'll change that cell to say "Timed for" to try to clear up the confusion, at least until I've worked out how to get the actual unit number appearing :)
 
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