YorkshireBear
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It is no longer a self contained stopper. Doesn't mean it is being removed. And the Man Pic - Crewe via airport stopper remains.
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It is no longer a self contained stopper. Doesn't mean it is being removed. And the Man Pic - Crewe via airport stopper remains.
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notlob.divad
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From what I have read on here, it is going to be a Crewe to Liverpool Via Manchester Airport and Manchester Piccadilly stopping service. So effectively joining the Crewe-Manchester and Manchester-Liverpool services together. I just hope that people who want to go from Sandbach-Edge Hill, vice versa or similar. Are made fully aware that whilst it may be possible to get a direct train, it would be well worth their while changing twice at Crewe and Liverpool South Parkway, if they place any value on time in their life.
According to the May 18 Northern timetable thread, the Chat Moss stopper will continue as an all stations to Crewe from Piccadilly (as notlob.divad says) and the other Northern Airport services will be skip-stop, stopping at either one or two stations between Piccadilly and the Airport.
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I hope this doesn't mean that some stations will have long gaps as per Levenshulme and Heaton Chapel on Sundays which have two trains within quarter of an hour of each other, then nothing for 45 minutes (this applies only country-bound, Manchester-bound it's more roughly every half hour)
DJH1971
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So what about passengers on this line who want to go to Manchester Victoria?
LNW-GW Joint
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The TPE services will stop at St Helens Jn and/or Newton le Willows.
There are going to be Northern services from Liverpool (and Chester) to the Calder Valley via Victoria as well, don't know what the stopping patterns will be.
DJH1971
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When's this likely to be happening?
Hebden Bridger
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The first Northern passenger train on December 10th over the Chord is now showing an 08:40 service from Victoria to Oxford Rd, returning at 08:57 to Leeds.
NRE suggests a Cheshire Day Rover at £23 is required for the Victoria to Oxford Rd journey! I hope fares between Manchester stations are sorted out before then.
NRE suggests a Cheshire Day Rover at £23 is required for the Victoria to Oxford Rd journey! I hope fares between Manchester stations are sorted out before then.
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Where did you get this information from?
notlob.divad
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May 2018. It was supposed to be december but everything has been put back due to delays in electrification meaning Northern do not have the quantity of self powered Rolling stock to cover the full change.
On a side note, I believe there are still 2 open questions about the TPE stopping pattern.
1. Is there going to be a none-stop Liverpool-Manchester train with the 2nd making 2 stops, or will each train stop once?
2. Are TPE going to server St. Helens Junction or Lea Green. The either or option has apparently been put to a combination of St. Helens Council and Merseytravel for their input. The outcome of which I do not know.
IIRC it still counts as the central zone so if you've got a ticket to one station it's valid to all (listed as Manchester Stns on tickets)
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Yes, but it's possible to buy a ticket from one central zone station to another (e.g. Pic-Deansgate) for substantially less than the price of a Cheshire Rover.
If the supposed fast Newcastle is going to go from non-stop Liverpool to Manchester to calling at one of the stations mentioned, isn't that going back on the idea of the genuine fast Liverpool-Newcastle calling at principal stations only? If DfT only ever envisages slow trains on the trans-Pennine route, then what's the point of talking about (a) major route improvements along the present line, and (b) ideas of an HS3?
Yes, however if you were travelling from, say, Knutsford for the specific purpose of travelling the chord simply buying a Knutsford to Manchester Stns return would allow you the privilege without having to buy a station specific ticket or rover if you get what I mean?
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I thought that was evident from my post, this earlier journey is being shown on National Rail Enquiries (as well as realtraintimes).
mikemcniven
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Northern have published December timetables for the Chord services!
https://be803fe5c416e39d38ae-aa2108...bles/Northern-36-Leeds-to-Manchester-1017.pdf
All of the other timetables here: https://www.northernrailway.co.uk/travel/timetables
https://be803fe5c416e39d38ae-aa2108...bles/Northern-36-Leeds-to-Manchester-1017.pdf
All of the other timetables here: https://www.northernrailway.co.uk/travel/timetables
Xenophon PCDGS
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Out of sheer interest only, what are the chosen "one or two stations" between Manchester Piccadilly and Manchester Airport that you make reference to above?
Altfish
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Hazel Grove will be one...the other???
Might be a bit hard given that Hazel Grove isn't on the Manchester Airport/Styal line...
Altfish
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Oops, I meant Heald Green
Altfish
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The problem of sending more trains that way isn't the chord but Piccadilly & Oxford Road stations, the platforms 15/16 at Piccadilly and the lengthened platforms at Oxford Road are needed.
Thomas6187
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On the Airport Line one train each hour will stop at:
Mauldeth Rd and Burnage
East Didsbury and Heald Green
Gatley and Heald Green
East Didsbury
Heald Green
One All stops
Hopefully that's not true, because the TPE services should start May 18, while there's no chance of those works completing before then. Signalling upgrades are needed along with Northern receiving enough rolling stock to take over the CLC - Airport service, according to earlier discussions on this thread. The Northern service is also due to run through to the Airport by May 18.
That's not too wildly different from what we have now, is it?
Bletchleyite
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Isn't what we have now nearer 2tph all stops, then others are just Airport or Heald Green and Airport?
As far as I know it is 2tph all stops (one from the Piccadilly - Airport shuttle, and one from the Piccadilly - Crewe via the Airport) plus a few other stops at certain stations (eg East Didsbury gets the ATW service, Heald Green the Blackpool North)
The old express always stopped at St Helens. To be fair, it is a big catchment area, St Helens only has a population of 175000, and then there's Warrington next door with its even larger population. All VT expresses stop at Runcorn and Stockport from Core cities so l don't really see any difference with stopping at St Helens.
Xenophon PCDGS
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Does the mid-day period Llandudno to Manchester Airport have an intermediate stop at East Didsbury. How long will this ATW service be running as such?
LNW-GW Joint
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Yes, all the extended ATWs stop there.
I don't think anybody knows what will happen after May 2018 (or whenever Northern wants to run more services to the airport).
The other change coming is the new W&B franchise, nominally from October 2018, again details not known.
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