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Can somebody give me a answer to what type of electrification is going up on the Paisley canel route?
Freightliner are asking Network Rail for compensation because there loco's and wagons will not be able to use the line when it gets wired up, why is this?.
What are the height differences between a 66 or 70 and a electric loco with its pan up?
 
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There's a good description of the work and the thinking behind it on pages 65,66 & 67 of the Alternative Solutions RUS, but basically the overhead wires when live will only allow certain classes of EMU underneath such as 314's and 380's - this avoids a lot of bridge rebuilding/trackbed lowering and along with the waiving of compensation to Scotrail gives the scheme a positive business case, though it would make life more awkward for any operator wishing to use the mothballed oil terminal at Hawkhead.

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Chris125 said:
None, there's an oil terminal but it's been disused for some time.

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It is a strategic terminal though as its the old (and current backup) terminal for aviation fuel to one of the airports - pretty sure its Glasgow but could be Prestwick.
 
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How is this a problem for accessing the terminal? It's already wired that far.
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Do you mean why would extending the electrification be a problem for access in this case?

It is because the electrification extension will not be gauge cleared for the existing loading gauge while the equipment is live.
This means that any attempt to run large gauge freight vehicles down the line, including Class 66s, would require the overhead equipment be isolated.

This requires delays and means that you effectively cannot serve teh depot during the day without a nightmarishly complex procedure.
 
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Why not serve the depot at night with an isolation on?
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Yes, you could do this, but only after all passenger service has ceased.

And either way it is a major inconvenience to freight operations.
 
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HSTEd said:
And either way it is a major inconvenience to freight operations.
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...that don't currently exist and there are no plans for - a small price to pay for a cheap fill-in electrification project that would otherwise be unviable.

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So is this going to be a problem for FL when they are running infrastructure trains such as Autoballasters?

How much of a difference in profile is a 66 to an EMU?
 
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MK Tom said:
How is this a problem for accessing the terminal? It's already wired that far.
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It wasn't before the present electrification work commenced. The oil terminal is at Hawkhead, near the western end of the branch, whereas the limit of electrification was previously Corkerhill.

I would have thought however that the dense collection of mature trees outside of the unloading compound at the terminal would have been a bigger hindrance to Freightliner in any case.
 
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bluenoxid said:
So is this going to be a problem for FL when they are running infrastructure trains such as Autoballasters?

How much of a difference in profile is a 66 to an EMU?
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The second post in this thread should hopefully provide you with an answer.

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