Paisley Gilmour St to Paisley Canal

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  1. sdrennan

    sdrennan Member

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    I heard from my daughter of this one who heard it from a fellow student

    Is it valid to buy an anytime day single from one paisley station,(PYG) to the other (PCN) where the only route is via GLASGOW CENTRAL (GLC)

    The reason I ask is that in theory you can have a break of journey at Glasgow which would make it possible to go from paisley to Glasgow and back to the other paisley station for the price of a single.
     
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  3. wintonian

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    Doubt it unless there is a strange easement in the routing guide.

    Just checked the easments and nothing leaps out at me.

    Can't quote it from the phone but if they share a common routing point (I suspect they do) the the permitted routes are direct trains, the shortest route (without doubbling back) or within 3 miles.

    The routeing guide is here if you wish to look it up youself.

    http://www.atoc.org/about-atoc/rail-settlement-plan/routeing-guide

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  4. clagmonster

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    Surprisingly there is a fare. The SDS is £2.80.

    Direct trains are always valid. There are none.

    The shortest route is always valid. I can't see any recognised walking interchanges involving stations on the Canal branch, so this must be via Glasgow.

    Routes shown in the National Routeing Guide are valid.
    Paisley Canal is a related station to the Glasgow Group.
    http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/routeing_point_identifier.pdf page 46

    Paisley Gilmour St is a routeing point.
    http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/routeing_point_identifier.pdf page 46

    The only routeing permissionsfor Glasgow Group-Paisley Gilmour St is: FK
    http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/permitted_route_identifier.pdf page 348

    This allows:
    Glasgow Group-Paisley Gilmour St direct only
    http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/Maps.pdf

    Therefore, into Glasgow and back out is the only permitted route. As far as I am aware, break of journey is permitted on all anytime (day) tickets.
     
  5. michael769

    michael769 Established Member

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    Yep it is valid, as evidenced by the fact that Scotrail have set a fare.

    Amusingly this fare is cheaper than a single to Glasgow. In fact even if you wanted to go back to PYG it would be cheaper to buy the PYG to PCN return than PYG to Glasgow Central. The same is true for PCN to Central

    I know it's only 10p difference but cool find nonetheless !
     
  6. sdrennan

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    Can a break of journey on this be overnight?

    I.e trace into Glasgow then return before 12:00 the next day
     
  7. MidnightFlyer

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    From what I can see there are only SDS / SDR tickets available like this, so no, sorry.

    SDS = Standard Day Single
    SDR = Standard Day Return
     
  8. CarterUSM

    CarterUSM Established Member

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    I sell them all the time, used to see loads of season tickets for it too. As long as they don't turn back on themselves back to the originating station, I couldn't care less. Same goes for Barrhead-Neilston, and various Coatbridge stations such as Whifflet-Coatdyke or Blairhill-Kirkwood, etc etc.
     
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    The season's rather useful too, if you commute on the Canal Line and want to use Gilmour Street on a Sunday (assuming you don't want to pay for a Zonecard).
     
  10. Gmac

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    I'd just walk and save all the bother
     
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