Pendolino derailment at Greyrigg

[Hentis]

Don't the Pendolino's, as with all new trains I believe, have black boxes? If that's the case, they'll be able to identify what the cause was.

Mart

Yes.

Hentis

 

[westcoaster]

23 February 2007, 22:25
Statement Issue No: 1

Statement from Virgin Trains


Virgin Trains can confirm that a serious incident took place earlier today near Lambrigg, north of Oxenholme in Cumbria.

The incident took place shortly after 20:00.

The train involved was the 17:15 from London Euston to Glasgow Central, operated by Virgin Trains.

Virgin Trains staff are currently working with the emergency services to ensure that those involved in this incident are given every assistance.

All Virgin Trains services between Preston and Carlisle have been suspended until further notice. Alternative arrangements for customers, using road vehicles, are being made. We advise passengers to ring National Rail Enquiries on 08457 48 49 50 before commencing their journey.

An emergency services number for friends or relatives concerned about anybody travelling on the train will be issued as soon as possible.

Virgin Trains will keep you updated as we receive further information.

 

[Guinness]

OTMR (On Train Management Recording), black box if you like records, Speed, Acceleration, Braking Force, Traction Lever Position and a few other bits related to the TASS (Tilt) but doesn't record track condition because there isn't any real provision onboard the train to record track conditions anyway.

 

[Turbostar]

the black box can tell you about speed and suchlike but not broken rails or objects on the line

I know that :roll:, but can't it tell if it's component failure, i.e. tilting mech., motors, transformer, etc.?

 

[Nat the Ned]

Good question.

I'm sure they have the system which records on the TMS what the driver does e.g. how they use the throttle, brake- basically records every single thing they do.

EVERYTHING that operates on NR now has OTMR (a black box), the most advanced record loads of stuff, speed, braking, horn use, even what lights are displayed on the front of the train. However as pointed out, it wont show if there was something on the track or broken rail etc!!

 

[westcoaster]

I know that :roll:, but can't it tell if it's component failure, i.e. tilting mech., motors, transformer, etc.?

sorry, should imagion so,but not to shore.

 

[Guinness]

I know that :roll:, but can't it tell if it's component failure, i.e. tilting mech., motors, transformer, etc.?

That would be on the TMS (Train Management System) as it reports faults with the train.

 

[Derek Kaye]

News24 has just said it was 95mph

 

[Turbostar]

National Rail website: All services between Preston & Carlisle suspended until further notice (obviously), northbound trains nearby set back to Preston, all Scotrail sleeper services have been cancelled tonight. Passengers from Aberdeen, Inverness and Fort William will be conveyed to Edinburgh where a replacement coach service will run to London. Passengers from Glasgow will also be conveyed to London by coach.

Mart

 

[Guinness]

I've just read that a 57 would tow them over S&C for tonight? But I've got another conflicting message saying Weekend Engineering is now taking place.

Coach to London? Ouch.

 

[Turbostar]

Can't Caledonian Sleeper services not run via ECML?

Mart

 

[First ScotRail]

Not if the drivers for the night arnt trained, plus its easier to go by bus from fsr's point

 

[Donny Dave]

I've just had a quick thought. Virgin can't divert around the accident either.

S&C closed between Hellafield and Carlisle.
Hope Valley closed
Tyne Valley closed between Hexham and Newcastle.

Going to be a fun weekend for passengers....

 

[Derek Kaye]

any reason why they can't use the cumbrian coast, at limited capacity?

 

[voyagerdude220]

I've just had a quick thought. Virgin can't divert around the accident either.

S&C closed between Hellafield and Carlisle.
Hope Valley closed
Tyne Valley closed between Hexham and Newcastle.

Going to be a fun weekend for passengers....

Yeah thats what i said on rail chat-

But i heard something go through the Ribble Valley at around northbound 20:20, but hadn't heard about this until I saw Yorkies note on MSN at about 21:45.

NRES states that all trains in the area returned to the last station they called at before getting to the Oxenholme area, to terminate at that last location.

Nationalrail Enquires

1810 Glasgow - Birmingham will go back to Carlisle an additional service will run as 2100 Preston - Birmingham.
1852 Edinburgh - Birmingham will go back to Carlisle
2010 Glasgow - Manchester will terminate at Carlisle
1446 Bournemouth - Dunbar will set back to Preston
1525 Plymouth - Glasgow has terminated at Preston.
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22:16 All Scotrail sleeper services have been cancelled tonight. Passengers from Aberdeen, Inverness and Fort William will be conveyed to Edinburgh where a replacement coach service will run to London. Passengers from Glasgow will also be conveyed to London by coach.

Customers from London will be conveyed by coach to Edinburgh and Glasgow where onward train connections will be available

 

[Mintona]

I just hope no-one is killed after, and the good news is it currently sounds that way. Scary that I used the line last Friday!

 

[voyagerdude220]

any reason why they can't use the cumbrian coast, at limited capacity?

There must be a reason why, because when the WCML is closed between Preston/Lancaster and Carlisle, for engineering works, I get them go passed my house near Blackburn. (Unless the access to/from the coast is cut off as well?)

I'm not complaining about diversions though, because they're the favourite time of the year for myself.

 

[voyagerdude220]

I just hope no-one is killed after, and the good news is it currently sounds that way. Scary that I used the line last Friday!

It's scary that i was going to do the [FC] 09:18 Preston-Glasgow, 12:10 Glasgow-Birmingham, 16:33 Birmingham-Leamington last Wedinesday, for bashing and relative purposes, but the trip was moved to Friday, and a straight Preston-Manchester-Leamington bash was called instead.

I've only done the WCML north of Preston 3 or 4 times, all on 220/221s.

 

[Turbostar]

Just refresh my memory, how can I get onto chat?

Mart

 

[Derek Kaye]

Access to the coast is via Carnforth.. I don't think virgin drivers are trained, but they could put extra coaches on Northern's services.. dont know if voyagers / pendos are cleared for the route.

 

[Donny Dave]

IIRC, Pendolinos and Voyagers are not cleared for the Cumbrian Coast, (probably because of clearence issues).

 

[Derek Kaye]

if pendos get grounded (whatever the term is on the railways), i've seen 47's + coaches on the coast.

 

[voyagerdude220]

Sorry to say this at this time of not knowing if everyone will be OK, but Daily Mail has published this piece on the internet:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...1770&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=NEWS&ct=5

I think all of the other newspapers have as well.

Notice the odd looking blue livery on the unit they used for the story

 

[westcoaster]

now saying driver is off the train (extracrated) does not sound to good

 

[Derek Kaye]

Just said that the OHLE is still on!!!

 

[westcoaster]

Just said that the OHLE is still on!!!

highly dout it once it is yanked down it will trip out the power, plus the e.c.o would have dealt with that

 

[Derek Kaye]

that's what i thought.. but there may be some residual current

 

[westcoaster]

if it is grounded then im not to sure

 

[voyagerdude220]

that's what i thought.. but there may be some residual current

I was wondering how the train lights were on the Pendo, having seen the picture in the media.

 

[westcoaster]

I was wondering how the train lights were on the Pendo, having seen the picture in the media.

train batts i think normally about 30 mins before they run out