Really want to vote labour but however due to a lack of belief in what they are promising to deliver and the fact that I can’t stand Corbyn I will be voting for the most likely pro Brexit party To win the vote in my area which happens to be the Brexit party.
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Busaholic
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I'd be surprised if the Brexit Party actually fight many seats, which I believe has always been the intention. Farage may even convince the Widdecombe woman to surrender her chance in Plymouth Devonport, which could make for an interesting conversation/screechfest. Oh, to be a fly on the wall
Taking the opposite view, I do wonder if the decision to withdraw Brexit Party candidates from seats which were won by Tory Candidates last time may lead to those who voted remain (or at least don't want a hard Brexit) to wonder if they will want to vote for what could be considered The Brexit Party Lite.
In doing so it could result in some Tory seats being lost in some of the more marginal seats.
He's who I want to be the next party leader.
Would anyone actually vote for her? She looks utterly bonkers.I'd be surprised if the Brexit Party actually fight many seats, which I believe has always been the intention. Farage may even convince the Widdecombe woman to surrender her chance in Plymouth Devonport, which could make for an interesting conversation/screechfest. Oh, to be a fly on the wall
Screechfest is definitely the word for it.
Kite159
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Apart from he thinks that McDonalds workers should be on £15 an hour...
(What a better way to speed up deployment of those burger making robots)
DynamicSpirit
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Well, if people voted for UKIP. And for Donald Trump. And for Bolsanero. And for George Galloway. etc. etc. ...
Well when you put it like that...
Whats wrong with them earning a decent wage ? Do they not deserve £15 ph ? How much do you think they should be paid ?
Well this is going a little off topic. But £15/h for a 40 hour week is £31k pa, which makes that role higher paid than qualified nurses, and the average pay of police constables and ‘regular’ teachers. Now you could argue that these three roles should be paid more, but then you could argue that most roles should be paid more. And if everyone is paid more, then the net effect is nil. Macroeconomics in action.
Nothing wrong with earning a decent wage, but it should reflect the skill/knowledge required. Given that, £9/hour outside London is probably about right.
edwin_m
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The important thing is to narrow the gap between the lowest and highest paid. Part of Britain's productivity problem is that it's cheaper for many employers to hire people on low wages instead of investing in automation. Also people hired can always be hired if business goes down because of Brexit or whatever, whereas most of the investment in automation isn't recoverable. The minimum wage has done a certain amount to address this issue, but of course pay at the very top has run away as well.
How many people work 40hrs a week in McDonalds. It's casual labor filled with part time, zero hours, evening and weekend workers etc.
There is no 'could argue' They are underpaid.
Which is true but this doesn't mean that we should constantly push people lower and lower. We should be driving employers to pay the best they can and encouraging people into work. You can't push people into work where wages are so low that its better to be unemployed. (which I've suffered with)
When wages rise in line with inflation, you also get nil. People can't afford to buy houses, can't afford the daily basics, need food banks etc. None of that is helped with constantly pushing people to accept low paid work. When someone comes out to support driving wages forward (and hopefully for all and not just a soundbite or to win votes...) I think they should be lauded, not denigrated.
DarloRich
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riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhtttttttttttttttttttttttt - you "want" to vote Labour but wont because you don't like/trust Corbyn so will instead vote for the Brexit party? That seems to be based on a sensible understanding of the political envelope! It isnt as if they are diametrically opposed or anything. Whats that smell?
Whats wrong with that is that people who work in McDonalds are dirty scum not decent chaps who live west of Andover. McDonalds scum deserve nothing. They are clearly failures in life and should be grateful we haven't shot them out of hand. Decent chaps deserve more.
Didn't you know? People doing low-paid work, whether it be in McDonald's, cleaning jobs etc., don't deserve a decent wage because they haven't tried hard enough in life. They haven't striven to climb that greasy pole and, no matter how hard they work in terms of multiple jobs to make up the hours, they have no right to expect decent living conditions because they're lazy and workshy. To paraphrase something I read recently on the forum, it's their fault that they're poor and they should know their place.
NoMorePacers
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Indeed! How DARE they be poor! Completely their fault for being in a rubbish financial situation with an awful job. Unbelievable!
Quite a few. I personally know one who does it now, and two who used to. And that's of the four people I know who worked at McDonald's.
Doesn't matter. The point still stands that £15/hr is more than most teachers, nurses, etc. are paid.
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Well once again a Tory PM has been caught out with a lack of empathy for ordinary citizens blighted by a disaster of some sort. May was caught out by the Grenfell disaster and having no empathy for the victims of it. Johnson has been caught out by the lack of reaction to these floods. Hmmm there is a pattern here? Mainly Tory PMs having no concept of empathy with people facing disaster?
Left a word out there...
DarloRich
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fixed that for you
They have no empathy for normal people because most have never been in that position. They have never experienced real life.
Most have never lived in a terraced house, or worried about bills or had too much month left with too little money available or worried about whether they will have a job next week or wondered how they are going to replace all their possessions after a flood or gone to work with holes in their shoes because they cant afford to replace them until pay day or decided between light, heat and food. I wonder how many of them have ever claimed benefits.
They are simply unable to understand real life and real people because they are not of that world. They have no concept of real life because for them real life is easy.
Reading about the UK viting "tribes" at https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/pol3d_main.html, one plausible explanation for the inaccurate results is that we tend toward one of these groups.
DarloRich
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Interesting - i have seen some of that before. I am somewhere around progressive.
NoMorePacers
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I float somewhere between Strong Left and Traditionalist I feel.
Kite159
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And what will happen if the minimum wage increased to a point where it will be cheaper to invest in automation? Decrease of jobs within that company as machines replace staff.
Or the number of staff decrease as they are expected to work harder, or hours get reduced (ie when someone leaves they don't get replaced and their workload is spread across those remaining, or the replacement for a full timer is a part timer).
My questionnaire results: "You are economically moderate, very strongly globalist, and strongly socially liberal."
edwin_m
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Unemployment is currently low despite recent increases in the minimum wage, suggesting we haven't got to that point yet. It's also true that Britain's productivity has been falling behind other countries and inequality has been increasing faster. These factors suggest we are relying too much on cheap labour. A relatively high minimum wage, if properly enforced, should also help reduce the need for immigrants who will work for very low wages, live in poor conditions and generate social tension.
Your Economic position is 31° Left, your National position is 30° National, and your Social position is 28° Liberal. (Somewheres)
Interesting for sure but I'd like to see a greater number of questions for a more accurate result.
Interesting for sure but I'd like to see a greater number of questions for a more accurate result.
Kite159
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The figures won't tell between someone employed full time (40 hours) or someone employed part time for only 20 hours, or even someone 'employed' for zero hours.
A relatively high minimum wage could also raise prices of goods/services so the net result of everybody being paid more is no change as inflation takes hold.
DarloRich
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There is no way i would vote conservative while I have Pi$$ in my body. I am not voting for Labour because I don't like or trust Corbyn.
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