Poll: Potential General Election: who are you voting for?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by AlterEgo, 3 Sep 2019.

Potential October GE: Who will you vote for?

  1. Conservative

    46 vote(s)
    15.2%
  2. Labour

    59 vote(s)
    19.5%
  3. SNP

    23 vote(s)
    7.6%
  4. Plaid Cymru

    4 vote(s)
    1.3%
  5. Lib Dems

    123 vote(s)
    40.6%
  6. TIG

    1 vote(s)
    0.3%
  7. DUP

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Sinn Fein

    1 vote(s)
    0.3%
  9. UUP

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. SDLP

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. Green Party (or any local Green affiliate)

    12 vote(s)
    4.0%
  12. Other independent or minor party (please state!)

    2 vote(s)
    0.7%
  13. Spoiled ballot

    5 vote(s)
    1.7%
  14. Not voting

    7 vote(s)
    2.3%
  15. Brexit Party

    20 vote(s)
    6.6%
  1. Mag_seven

    Mag_seven Established Member

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    I'd love to vote Labour because they came a very close second to the Tory in my constituency but I just can't with Corbyn in charge. It will have to be Lib-Dem even if that means the Tory gets back in. This highlights the unfairness of the FPTP system :(
     
  2. 404250

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    It seems to me that the Lib Dems have become a more middle class version of Labour. Some decent policies for a fairer society but a lot of NIMBYs among the supporters.
     
  3. krus_aragon

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    Maybe we have fewer Tories here, because they have yet to forgive the railways for the death of William Huskisson? :D
     
  4. DarloRich

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    honestly? HONESTLY? You cant work out why the man is a problem?
     
  5. 404250

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    Not really. Please explain how my life will become awful.
     
  6. DarloRich

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    I will come back to that but first lets turn that around. How will a Corbyn led government improve your life? You seem to think he is some kind of messiah. Could you explain why? If you could you refer to the most recent manifesto and explain how it is to be paid for that would be great.

    Up thread i have explained why I wont vote for him. Tell me why I should.
     
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  7. Gooner18

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    I have always voted conservatives, however at the last GE I was for the first time ever tempted to vote labour if and only IF Corbyn was not in charge
     
  8. ABB125

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    I won't be voting, because, typically, the election falls (if it does fall!) slightly too early for me to be old enough to vote. If only the election cycle had continued since 2015...

    If I were, though, I have absolutely no idea who for. Having grown up in a Conservative-voting household, that is probably the party I'd vote for, were it not for the absolute shambles that has been Brexit. I won't vote Labour (I don't like quite a few of their policies (or rather, how misleading they are, eg: renationalising the railways will solve all the problems)), especially not with Mr Corbyn in charge, and the Liberal Democrats (whose main focus at the moment seems to be reversing a democratic vote (which may or may not be a good thing; this is not a Brexit thread though)) wouldn't get my vote either.

    i live in a safe Conservative constituency anyway, so voting different won't change my local MP.

    Where's the "none of the above" option?
     
  9. Darandio

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    Surely it's the 'Not Voting' option?
     
  10. mmh

    mmh Established Member

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    It should actually be "don't vote in this poll" as they've said they're too young to vote.
     
  11. 404250

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    You're mistaken there because I'm not encouraging anyone to vote for him. I've just heard from various sources that "Corbyn in no.10 will be a disaster" and I'm struggling to work out how and for whom this will be the case.
     
  12. ComUtoR

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    There is a difference between 'not voting' and 'not eligible'
     
  13. BanburyBlue

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    None of the above.

    Doesn't help that our voting system is rubbish. I live in a safe Tory seat and might as well throw my ballet paper in the bin.

    Ultimately, the next government will be chosen from a few marginal constituencies.
     
  14. RichT54

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    I'm wondering what all the Tory voters in my constituency (Bracknell) will do. It's normally a very safe conservative seat and had a majority for Leave in the referendum. Yet the current member, Dr Philip Lee, is very anti Brexit and there has already been some plotting to deselect him as the candidate. If he's not de-selected I would imagine some Tory voters would switch to a Brexit party candidate, splitting the right wing vote. Not that I will be voting for either myself, I will continue to vote Lib-Dem.
     
  15. YorkshireBear

    YorkshireBear Established Member

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    You'll still be voting for the same person then!
     
  16. bspahh

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    Philip Lee has just quit the Conservatives and joined the Lib Dems! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49570682
     
  17. RichT54

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    Ha! I spotted his resignation letter after I finished my post :D
     
  18. Terry Tait

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    I would vote Brexit Party because I am fed up with the grisly remainers who still can't deal with losing in 2016.
     
  19. radamfi

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    Cool, you are doing us a favour by splitting the Tory vote.
     
  20. DarloRich

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    Ok. fair enough. Why do I think he will be a disaster?

    Well putting aside what I think will be terrible foreign policies, especially around NATO and our commitments internationally AND his approach to Brexit I really worry about economic competence and economic performance of a Corbyn led government.

    Honestly, I do not trust the economics of the most recent labour manifesto. They play well with the Corbyn base but they are based on a fantasy that everyone will pay the new taxes in full. That simply isnt going to happen. In particular the most recent manifesto planned to nearly double corporation tax receipts. Again this looks like decent lefty stuff but many economists argue that this will simply drive successful business off shore and reduce investment in the UK and reduce the number of jobs in the market. I think it is simply naive to expect that business and individuals will simply roll over an pay. They wont.

    Tax changes change behaviours with most people trying to reduce the taxation burden as much as possible. There is a suggestion, for instance, that "loopholes" in corporation tax will be closed to raise more money yet those "loopholes" have been introduced to try and encourage industry to invest in things like new machinery. The richest people will move off shore to avoid tax, business will do the same and everyone who is able will use clever schemes to doge tax. Those that cant will get screwed. Those people wont be the targeted super rich. The Laffer curve seems to be a stranger to Labour!

    Labour were also vague ( charitably) about how they would fund their nationalisation campaign estimated to cost c.£60bn. They said the cost of buying out shareholders will be matched by the purchase of valuable, profitable businesses which would mean the net effect on the government’s balance sheet would be zero. This seems fantastical. There was a suggestion that the shareholders could be converted to bond holders rahter than sahreholders. Government bond holders routinely expect a decent ( say 5%) p/a return. To renationalise at zero cost assumes that the new state-run businesses will perform at least as well the privatised ones, paying the interest to the bondholders and financing all planned investments. Do you think this is likely?

    My biggest concern is what if the economy fails to perform post Brexit and/or the tax receipts are not as suggested. How is this manifesto to be paid for? It is going to be lots of borrowing and increased taxes further down the chain. The definition of what is "rich" will slide lower so more and more people are paying higher tax levels. It is also going to lead to a slow down of the economy as investment is reduced and business activity moved away from the UK. This means fewer jobs, paying lower wages and less money to spend in the wider economy.

    The real questions are whether the aims of this manifesto are attainable, effective, affordable and politically sustainable and whether they are the most pressing priorities in 21st century Britain. For instance should Labour really abolish tuition fees for the middle classes, many of whom can well afford them rather than spend the money elsewhere? Should Labour chuck endless funds at the NHS without looking at how that important institution works? Is natioinalising the railways or the water board really that important?

    Personally I think they have over committed and I worry about the results for the economy.


    (The Laffer curve illustrates a theoretical relationship between rates of taxation and the resulting levels of government revenue. One implication of the Laffer curve is that reducing or increasing tax rates beyond a certain point is counter-productive for raising further tax revenue)
     
  21. 404250

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    Has anyone got the time to read the above? Impressive typing but please keep it concise as this is a train forum.
     
  22. DarloRich

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    ffs. It is the economy stupid. ( to coin a phrase)

    EDIT - that might be too many words so here is one: Cash
     
  23. krus_aragon

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    I found the time to read it, and found it to be a well-reasoned explanation (which is not to say that I agree with all of it).

    I find myself wondering how likely it is that any party will be hold a majority after a forthcoming election.
     
  24. Mag_seven

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    If "grisly remainers" have lost what is it that Brexiters have "won"?
     
  25. radamfi

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    Other northern European countries seem to do alright despite having unashamedly high tax regimes, for example Sweden, Denmark and the Netherlands. Even Norway, although they would do alright regardless because of their huge oil revenue. Despite such a bounty, Norway still prefer to have high tax rates.
     
  26. Darandio

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    I did and i'm in complete agreement, this is the General Discussion area after all. It's a strange concept that you don't want people to expand an opinion on a discussion forum because it isn't about trains.

    He will be a disaster because everything he ever proposes is completely unrealistic and will inevitably drag us further down.
     
  27. Bantamzen

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    So remind us, what did the leavers "win"? It wasn't some game of bingo or voting for your favourite dancer, the effects of any muck up with Brexit will be felt by most people regardless of which way they voted. If this government drives the economy to the wall because it can't be arsed to renegotiate, is too bloody minded too ask for more time, and reckless enough to ignore the warnings from leavers and remainers alike, as well as economists around the world about no deal, will you still consider that "winning"?

    Answers on a post card to Boris Johnson PM, 10 Downing Street...

    Sorry, that was at bit too simplified, can you expand on that please.... <D;)
     
  28. mmh

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    This hasn't gone down well in all quarters. The chair of the LGBT Lib Dems has quit.

    Quoted from https://miss-s-b.dreamwidth.org/2048873.html
     
  29. DynamicSpirit

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    Refusing to put the UK though a no-deal Brexit will probably improve most people's lives a lot compared to what Boris appears to be preparing to do ;)

    Incidentally, on the question of cash: Judging from Government announcements over the last week or so, plus remembering some of Boris's leadership election promises, it seems that Boris has found the magic money tree. So I guess if someone in the Government could leak the information about its whereabouts, we should have no problem with any spending pledges Labour might put forward!
     
  30. Aictos

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    Also means splitting the Labour vote or did that pass you by?
     

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