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Poll: Potential General Election: who are you voting for?

Potential October GE: Who will you vote for?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 84 19.1%
  • Labour

    Votes: 129 29.4%
  • SNP

    Votes: 29 6.6%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 4 0.9%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 130 29.6%
  • TIG

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • DUP

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 2 0.5%
  • UUP

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • SDLP

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Green Party (or any local Green affiliate)

    Votes: 14 3.2%
  • Other independent or minor party (please state!)

    Votes: 3 0.7%
  • Spoiled ballot

    Votes: 7 1.6%
  • Not voting

    Votes: 13 3.0%
  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 24 5.5%

  • Total voters
    439
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DarloRich

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What is the legal definition of assault in cases of police assault? Surely when the offender is over or under 16, it is the same in law.

agreed - however it can be simply you calling the policeman a bad name! You don't have to smack them. It could be as simple as refusing to disperse when instructed to do so by a member of the old bill.

there is a useful beginners guide here: https://www.inbrief.co.uk/offences/prosecution-for-assaulting-a-police-officer/
 

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How on earth is that relevant to the right to vote?

You need to go back to past postings where the age of comprehension of 16 year old people over many differing aspects of life had been discussed. Were those young people of 13 and 14 years of age in Birmingham knowledgeable to comprehend that assaulting a police officer could have legal consequences?
 

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You need to go back to past postings where the age of comprehension of 16 year old people over many differing aspects of life had been discussed. Were those young people of 13 and 14 years of age in Birmingham knowledgeable to comprehend that assaulting a police officer could have legal consequences?

they will be tried as an adult so one must assume so.........................
 

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What is the legal definition of assault in cases of police assault? Surely when the offender is over or under 16, it is the same in law.

they will be tried as an adult so one must assume so.........................

The law is the same for everyone - the difference is in the court process. Normally, a "youth", under 18 would be dealt with in the Youth Court - this is a court in the Magistrate's system with specially trained Magistrates and support staff. The range of punishments is also different to the Adult court, with imprisonment of up to 2 years as an option. If the likely disposal in more than two years they will be sent for trial in the Crown Court. Youths may also appear in the Adult Court if they are co-charged with Adults in the same matter.

I found a useful article in the Gruaniad here
 

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Always my plan to return there when I retire. Also I still care about my country even if I don’t live there. Many people disparage Donald Trump but don’t live in the USA - I don’t see any difference.

Fair enough.

Have you managed to find proof of Corbyn being "a proven Russian stooge" yet?
 

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I live in the UK and worry about Corbyn! I think he is a crackpot with some "fruity" views. but hey, free broadband ( which is nothing of the sort!)

Oh I'm far from a fan of Corbyn, and I'd be very surprised if Labour won an election whilst he was a leader. I also don't agree with all of this "free" stuff either, because the money to pay for it is going to have to come from somewhere. I'd rather have a properly funded NHS over things like free broadband and nationalised railways and utilities.

I'm just fed up of reading smears about him every five minutes.
 

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Smears are unnecessary. The truth about him is damaging enough despote the work of his fake news chums at the canary and others
 

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Smears are unnecessary. The truth about him is damaging enough despote the work of his fake news chums at the canary and others

What would you rather have a Tory Government or a Labour Government? Think long and hard about your dislike of one man before propelling us out of Europe and into another 5 years of public sector cuts. If Corbyn is trash, he can be voted away at the next election. Brexit is here for a generation.
 

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What would you rather have a Tory Government or a Labour Government? Think long and hard about your dislike of one man before propelling us out of Europe and into another 5 years of public sector cuts. If Corbyn is trash, he can be voted away at the next election. Brexit is here for a generation.

Spot on.

I'm not really a fan of him as I've said before, but I'd much rather have Corbyn as PM.
 

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Indeed - however assaulting a police officer has a very wide definition and is a useful tool used to easily and quickly arrest someone.

In this instance, it was mayhem at Star City at the weekend with parents & kids queueing for Frozen 2 and kids (boys and girls) and men/women with knives & machetes causing untold trouble and upset. I've spoken to a few people who were there and they said it was very scary. Star City has that reputation though, last time I went there was a Saturday day and they had metal detectors on entry and security frisking people. But security obviously didn't fancy being stabbed this time...

Digress over
 

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I have "voted" above, but we have to remember that tactical voting is going to distort the answer to the real question that should have been asked ("What party would you like to see in government?") Sadly I shall not be voting for the candidate representing the party I would like to see in government.
If we had the single transferable vote then we could all vote for our preferred candidate or party, knowing that if they were knocked out our vote would be reallocated to our second choice, and so on until one of the candidates had a majority of the votes.
It would mean that every MP had the support of more than 50% of the electorate who voted, but it still wouldn't prevent a hung parliament of course...
 

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Smears are unnecessary. The truth about him is damaging enough despote the work of his fake news chums at the canary and others

The Canary and the Socialist Worker are as much a load of tripe as the Daily Mail, but Corbyn isn't, so far as I'm aware, involved in the actual publications. They're just left wing press.

I don't consider the Canary any more "fake news" than the Mail - both are just highly selective reporters based on their bias.
 

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What would you rather have a Tory Government or a Labour Government? Think long and hard about your dislike of one man before propelling us out of Europe and into another 5 years of public sector cuts. If Corbyn is trash, he can be voted away at the next election. Brexit is here for a generation.

Corbyn would be in effective charge of the armed forces. It’s a hard no from me. I won’t vote for any of the candidates in my area.
 

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Corbyn would be in effective charge of the armed forces. It’s a hard no from me. I won’t vote for any of the candidates in my area.

He's a man, not a government. What exactly do you think he would do to the armed forces - even if he is notionally "in charge"? Is that objection worth enabling Brexit and another Tory government?
 

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He's a man, not a government. What exactly do you think he would do to the armed forces - even if he is notionally "in charge"? Is that objection worth enabling Brexit and another Tory government?

Our nuclear deterrent would be useless under him, a man who the opposition know won't push the button. I am content to enable Brexit by passive abstinence if he is the only alternative. The best hope is for a humiliation of Labour and a replacement of their leadership.
 

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Our nuclear deterrent would be useless under him, a man who the opposition know won't push the button. I am content to enable Brexit by passive abstinence if he is the only alternative. The best hope is for a humiliation of Labour and a replacement of their leadership.
Why does Britain even need nuclear weapons? It's not as if it's a significant country anymore.
 

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What would you rather have a Tory Government or a Labour Government? Think long and hard about your dislike of one man before propelling us out of Europe and into another 5 years of public sector cuts. If Corbyn is trash, he can be voted away at the next election. Brexit is here for a generation.

And guess what? Voting for either main party delivers you Brexit!
 

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Do you seriously expect me to believe that? :lol:
Most people entrenched in their views don't believe any evidence. My late father in law all his life voted Labour - and yet he disagreed with every single one of their policies. I still loved him. Nothing, no evidence at all would convince him. He hated Europe with a passion and a staunch Brexiteer. Hated Greenpeace with a fashion and his solution to their ship in the Antarctic was to send in the SBS with limpet mines. Some of his views on race are quite frankly just not publishable in an online forum. He believed in Trident and a strong defense - but he voted Labour. It does not matter if I were to publish irrefutable evidence about Corbyn and his ilk - I think nothing would satisfy you anyway. I think deep down you remind me of my late Father In Law. So the good news I loved him till the day he died and I will love you too. My reasons for despising the Labour Party are deep and lasting =- though full disclosure, although I did not vote for Labour 1997-2010 - I thought it was right and they deserved to win at the time.

Corbyn on the other hand - is just far too left wing and an IRA sympathizer.
 

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And guess what? Voting for either main party delivers you Brexit!

A Conservative win guarantees Brexit, which will likely be a hard, possibly no-deal WTO-rules, Brexit.

A Labour win means either a soft Brexit, or Remain, depending on the outcome of their second referendum. My money would be on Remain winning such a vote.

Hardly the same. There's a definite and important choice to be made here.

I'd like to Remain, but if we do leave then I'd certainly want Labour in power when we do. Without EU oversight I couldn't trust the Conservatives not to throw away various rights and protections.
 

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A Conservative win guarantees Brexit, which will likely be a hard, possibly no-deal WTO-rules, Brexit.

A Labour win means either a soft Brexit, or Remain, depending on the outcome of their second referendum. My money would be on Remain winning such a vote.

Hardly the same. There's a definite and important choice to be made here.

I'd like to Remain, but if we do leave then I'd certainly want Labour in power when we do. Without EU oversight I couldn't trust the Conservatives not to throw away various rights and protections.

Corbyn is a leaver. Labour are a leave party under his leadership. He wont even tell you what position he would take in any such referendum. His neutral stance is a cop out and is desigend to stop questions about his views compared to the views of the majority of the party memebership.

It is once again an attempt to be all things to all people while offering no view himself. It is preposterous.

Johnson is a complete tool but at least he is clear: vote for me and I will deliver Brexit without any messing about

We know this is fantasy just as much as we know Corbyn lives a fantasy about brexit.

Frankly I would prefer to have neither and consider Corbyn a danger when you consider his views on foreign policy, his terrorist chums, his views on defence, his views on western institutions. I think his tax policy is immature and naive and his free stuff for everyone policy undeliverable and his obsession with Palestine boring and his inability or unwillingness to challenge antisemitism within his fan base beyond acceptable

But I bet you arent bothered about any of that and will make excuses.
 

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And guess what? Voting for either main party delivers you Brexit!

A Conservative win guarantees Brexit, which will likely be a hard, possibly no-deal WTO-rules, Brexit.

A Labour win means either a soft Brexit, or Remain, depending on the outcome of their second referendum. My money would be on Remain winning such a vote.

Hardly the same. There's a definite and important choice to be made here.

I'd like to Remain, but if we do leave then I'd certainly want Labour in power when we do. Without EU oversight I couldn't trust the Conservatives not to throw away various rights and protections.

^^^ What Lyndhurst said!!


So what's it to be Darlorich - enabling a Tory-led hard Brexit, continuing public sector cuts and a proven liar as PM, or a choice between a softer Brexit or remain and real investment in Public Services.
 

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^^^ What Lyndhurst said!!


So what's it to be Darlorich - enabling a Tory-led hard Brexit, continuing public sector cuts and a proven liar as PM, or a choice between a softer Brexit or remain and real investment in Public Services.

I am sick of Corbyn fan boys. You told to f off and vote for someone else. So we did. Now you complain we wont back your bonkers hero!

I wont vote for Corbyn. I wont vote for Johnson.

Btw It is your continued backing for a completely useless old man that will deliver a Tory government.
 

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Corbyn is a leaver. Labour are a leave party under his leadership. He wont even tell you what position he would take in any such referendum. His neutral stance is a cop out and is desigend to stop questions about his views compared to the views of the majority of the party memebership.

It is once again an attempt to be all things to all people while offering no view himself. It is preposterous.

Johnson is a complete tool but at least he is clear: vote for me and I will deliver Brexit without any messing about

We know this is fantasy just as much as we know Corbyn lives a fantasy about brexit.

Frankly I would prefer to have neither and consider Corbyn a danger when you consider his views on foreign policy, his terrorist chums, his views on defence, his views on western institutions. I think his tax policy is immature and naive and his free stuff for everyone policy undeliverable and his obsession with Palestine boring and his inability or unwillingness to challenge antisemitism within his fan base beyond acceptable

But I bet you arent bothered about any of that and will make excuses.

I would prefer to vote Green. In my constituency the leading challengers are Labour. I will hold my nose and vote Labour to try to prevent a Tory MP.

What about you? Are you happy with a Tory win, or will you do something about it? It's a binary choice.
 

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I am sick of Corbyn fan boys. You told to f off and vote for someone else. So we did. Now you complain we wont back your bonkers hero!

I wont vote for Corbyn. I wont vote for Johnson.

Btw It is your continued backing for a completely useless old man that will deliver a Tory government.

And as I posted before this, you'll see I'm not a Corbyn fanboy. I resigned my Labour Party membership when he took power and they screwed over the Brexit campaign. Yet you still use the jibe with no evidence.
 
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