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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by AlterEgo, 3 Sep 2019.
Nevertheless, I stiil think that the party still has to look beyond new labour laissez-faire.
As i said previously: I am never going to vote for the Conservatives so haven't bothered looking, beyond headlines, what their spending pledges actually say. I do know that a c£60bn hole in the labour plans is a fairly big one.
I don't - i just think a suggested c.£60bn gap in funding is quite a large one BEFORE anything else goes wrong. Even if every penny in taxation is collected it wouldn't be enough to fund the re nationalization commitment.
Only if that gives him more power. THis brexit lark is just a game to facilitate that.
Flip side of the coin, I'm considered by many as "too left wing" to be Tory, despite being a member and supporting a lot of their policies, because I believe in the NHS and the benefits system (no, I know it's not perfect, but it's necessary) etc.
Would be nice for there to be a better central party that "lefty Tories" or "right-wing Labour" could call home, but I don't see it happening with the ever-increasing left/right split - labours verging on socialism, and the Tories are becoming Farage.
Don't the Lib Dems occupy the centre ground, albeit a bit to the left?
Out of interest, considered too left wing by whom? Other Tory party members or (non-Tory) members of the public?
I think so too, tbh.
A friend of mine who's recently left the Tory Party was the same, he said he's planning to join the Lib Dems in the near future.
Both. Have had many an argument with other Torys, and then also by people I know/who know me that aren't Tory.
This seems to be the answer for a lot of people. Gotta be a reason Lib Dem membership is at an all time high. Then again, LD has always been the "protest vote" party of choice for unhappy Conservatives.
Self satisfied ?
The same way as I do ?
You have no idea what I think. Any suggestion you do is mere speculation.
Maybe don't post silly justifications for your vote then, if that's not what you think.
I can guarantee I don't think the same way that you do.
We used to have a party like that. It was called New Labour and it won three landslide elections.
The Times is reporting that one of the reasons Boris wanted an election on October 15 was because that would effectively disenfranchise[*] many students (who tend to be remain-supporters). Around the beginning of October is when most students will be arriving at University, and a 15 October election date would've made it difficult for many of them to register in time to vote at their term-time addresses. Link
So much for needing a quick election because MPs had allegedly scuppered his chances of getting a deal...
[*] Disenfranchise isn't the language The Times uses, but it seems appropriate to me.
And this is the whole problem with politics.
No you specifically Rich, but I guess many people:
Don't look beyond the headlines.
Think they're all useless so don't vote.
Vote for the same people they always have done.
I'm always open to who I vote for and never say never to voting for any party.
A party may have done wrong in the past but it's not quite the same people running it now.
Not sure if this was addressed further up but..
NIR and Translink would need to get any expenditure foe improvements and expansion approved by stormount who would be paying. Stormount has not been in session for however long and no big decisions are being made. It's a joke as it's getting messy in places like the NHS and schools. I'm not sure if Westminster would need a say in something like a railway expansion.
I remember the struggle to get new rolling stock. The alternative was close everything apart from Portadown line and the Bangor line for commuters.
Enen before then the both sides would take opposite sides of an argument just because its the opposite option to what the other wants. Even when it's obvious it's in the counties Intrest.
I would agree broadly, but with the caveat that some political parties profess core values that are diametrically opposed to my own. Even with an open mind, I'd have seen no point in weighing up the electoral pledges of the British National Party, for example, as their publicly espoused views are ones that I downright disagree with.
Leaving aside the politics, it's heartbreak hotel for the railways in Northern Ireland.
There should be links all the way to Galway, Sligo, Donegal and most towns in between from Belfast.
It's just so sad.
While I agree with your general points having experienced what the Conservatives will do to people they don't like and seen and lived with the results of those actions I simply could not vote for them. Ever.
On a similar theme, a few elections ago, my father was contemplating whether to vote for a Conservative candidate. He considered that the person was a good, honest Welshman ("yn Gymro i'r carn"), respectable and responsible, but couldn't shake off the feeling that if his grandmother (a life-long liberal) knew he was thinking of voting Tory, she'd be spinning in her grave!
Some political allegiances/aversions last a long time.
Looks like I'm one of the rare Tories on this site.
You're not alone in being conservative (small c), but you might find that many people no longer consider themselves to be Conservatives (big c).
"No longer?" Why's that? Brexit?
same for me with Labour. I never thought I would vote for anyone else.
Not Brexit in itself, but the manner in which it's been approached.
Hardly surprising considering it's a public transport forum and most of the workers will be trade unionists.
Many people are in trade unions and vote Conservative.
You're right that people should consider the policies, manifesto commitments of a party, their recent record and the qualities of those in senior positions. However there's also the core essence of a party, which is less tangible but also more constant - this is a perfectly valid reason to rule out voting for a given party.
The vast majority of posters here aren’t employed on the railways. The minority of Labour choices underlines that.
Probably all wear flat caps and live in council flats too
Don't forget the whippets
That's quite an assumption. In my experience quite a few railway staff, especially those further up the pay scale such as drivers, happily vote Conservative. Furthermore, being a member of a trade union is by no means incompatible with that.
It's also worth adding that not all railway staff are union members, and of those who are a fair proportion are there primarily for the support should they find themselves in the brown staff at any time.