possibility for introducing a Munich-Innsbruck-Fortezza-SC-Lienz service and reintroduce Innsbruck-Lienz Corridor Train once Brenner Base Tunnel opens

[Stephen Lee]

Although it has been 7 years since the Innsbruck-Lienz corridor train discontinued but still wonder if it is possible to reintroduce it in order to shift people from road to rail. Also i wonder if a connection between Lienz and Munich is possible too

 

[Alfonso]

I'm sure many of the 12,000 or so good people of Lienz can face changing trains at fortezza

 

[Austriantrain]

I'm sure many of the 12,000 or so good people of Lienz can face changing trains at fortezza

Don‘t underestimate the emotionality of this debate. The Lienz district is part of Tyrol and they would really love a direct train to the state capital.

Also, since a chord is to be built for San Candido - Bozen trains, it is not really known how good connections will be in future.

Still very unlikely though; an „all shacks“ train would be very unattractive; everything else would need huge infrastructure investments.

 

[30907]

Don‘t underestimate the emotionality of this debate. The Lienz district is part of Tyrol and they would really love a direct train to the state capital.

Also, since a chord is to be built for San Candido - Bozen trains, it is not really known how good connections will be in future.

Still very unlikely though; an „all shacks“ train would be very unattractive; everything else would need huge infrastructure investments.

I remember using it back in 1972 when it was a true Korridorzug - ISTR the through trains were withdrawn because the Italian partners wanted a frequent local service towards Bolzano/Bozen.
Maybe a Railjet set in marginal time could be extended from/to Innsbruck, similar to the new Wien-Bolzano through train, without totally wrecking the regional service?

As for Munich-Lienz, even with the base tunnel that wouldn't be much faster than the Tauern route.

 

[43096]

I remember using it back in 1972 when it was a true Korridorzug - ISTR the through trains were withdrawn because the Italian partners wanted a frequent local service towards Bolzano/Bozen.
Maybe a Railjet set in marginal time could be extended from/to Innsbruck, similar to the new Wien-Bolzano through train, without totally wrecking the regional service?

As for Munich-Lienz, even with the base tunnel that wouldn't be much faster than the Tauern route.

You'd need a RailJet set with a 1216 on it rather than an 1116, which the bulk of the RailJet fleet is powered by.

 

[Austriantrain]

You'd need a RailJet set with a 1216 on it rather than an 1116, which the bulk of the RailJet fleet is powered by.

That’s not an issue, locos are not allocated to specific sets (which can be powered by all three 1x16 types) and since the Vectrons have taken over most international freight duties, 1216 are not scarce anymore.

 

[43096]

That’s not an issue, locos are not allocated to specific sets (which can be powered by all three 1x16 types) and since the Vectrons have taken over most international freight duties, 1216 are not scarce anymore.

So they've given up on 1116201 being on set 01, 1116225 on set 25 etc as some locos are restricted, for example 1116201-223 are the only Swiss equipped locos.

If the bulk of the Villach turns are 1116 (which they are), then adding in an oddball 1216 diagram is an operational headache.

 

[Austriantrain]

So they've given up on 1116201 being on set 01, 1116225 on set 25 etc as some lo
If the bulk of the Villach turns are 1116 (which they are), then adding in an oddball 1216 diagram is an operational headache.

So many RJ diagrams around already; if it could be fit in (and I doubt it, both from Villach or Innsbruck, because the long journey times imply that it could not just be fitted in at the beginning or end of the day and at other times the sets are needed elsewhere), it would hardly make a difference...

The much bigger issue would be to diagram an Italy-able set (Nos 52-60). These are scarce.

 

[Stephen Lee]

That’s not an issue, locos are not allocated to specific sets (which can be powered by all three 1x16 types) and since the Vectrons have taken over most international freight duties, 1216 are not scarce anymore.

You think the 1x16 types may concentrate on Passenger while 1293s will replace them on Freight services? They also have tests on 1293s with passenger trains...

 

[Austriantrain]

You think the 1x16 types may concentrate on Passenger while 1293s will replace them on Freight services? They also have tests on 1293s with passenger trains...

They do have tests, but as it stands now, 1216 are indeed being replaced by 1293 on freight; not everywhere but in a sufficient amount that more are available for passengers services.

So they've given up on 1116201 being on set 01, 1116225 on set 25 etc as some locos are restricted, for example 1116201-223 are the only Swiss equipped locos.

To answer your question: I had a look in the appropriate spotters‘ forum and it seems to me that while they apparently try to keep locos and sets together (probably, as you said, to make it slightly easier to diagram them) it is really hit and miss and you can find lots of different combinations.

Doesn’t change the fact you pointed out that diagramming RJ sets is very complicated due to the different limitations on which sets and locos can run where.

In the case of a (unrealistic) Innsbruck - Lienz service, as I believe the hardest part would be to diagram the set, since only sets 52-60 are able to run in Italy; finding a 1216 should be easier in comparison. And in any case, the number of RJ sets is always an issue... they are diagrammed quite intensively and are scarce.