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Possibility of free public transport in Luxembourg

Discussion in 'International Transport' started by adrock1976, 7 Dec 2018.

  1. adrock1976

    adrock1976 Established Member

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    Link to the article in its original form (contains a couple of videos): https://www.independent.co.uk/trave...blic-transport-trams-buses-when-a8668496.html

    Luxembourg is considering the possibility of making public transport free so as to combat traffic congestion. I believe this might just be for Luxembourg City rather than the whole country.

    I did start a thread earlier on this year regarding if free public transport would work in the UK. I recall that there seemed to be mixed responses.

    For the UK, I would suggest as an experiment to have a trial in Glasgow, Newcastle, Sunderland (so as not to upset the Makems if that is the right nickname for the locals of Sunderland), Leeds, Bradford, Sheffield, Manchester, Salford, Liverpool, and Birmingham - practically those cities that are in the Passenger Transport Executive areas. Funding could come from business rates, and also the outstanding amount of tax due to HMRC that has been evaded by the likes of Phillip Green (BHS), Starbucks, Amazon, Google, Vodaphone, Gideon George Osborne, etc.
     
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    It’s not exactly expensive now: an all-country day ticket (effectively a day’s all-line) is €4, or €6 in first class.
     
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    Uh? What you're describing would not be an experimental trial. That would be more like, a full blown implementation in almost all of the UK's largest cities. A trial would be something like 'let's do it for a year or so in - say - an area around central Birmingham'

    From business rates? Have you estimated how much you would need to raise business rates by? Any thoughts about the impact that would have on small and large businesses around the country if you put up business rates up enough to pay for free public transport? Or about the devastation that would wreak have on town centres that are already struggling against online firms that - by virtue of being online - tend to pay fewer business rates?

    I'm going to hazard a guess that you don't run a business, and you don't pay business rates. Are you sure this isn't a version of, let's have some free goodies and get someone else to pay for it in their taxes? Whatever the merits of free public transport (personally I think it might work in very limited circumstances and limited geographical areas, but certainly not across the whole country), if you are going to to it, shouldn't it be paid for from general taxation - or possibly in part through increased fuel duties?

    Ummm, have you any evidence that these companies and individuals are evading tax (an activity that is absolutely illegal). If you do have evidence of this, have you reported it to the police? To be blunt, your sentence here contains a very serious (and very likely, false) allegation. Certainly, several of the companies you cite have taken accounting measures to minimise their tax liabilities, often taking advantage of their multinational nature, to an extent that many people feel is unfair, and possibly unethical, but is legal. But I don't believe any have been found guilty of substantially evading tax (which is illegal).

    And besides, do you really imagine there is some pot of billions of pounds that could be easily collected if only the Government could be bothered? I know lots of people on the left like to believe that, but... think about it... For about 7 years after 2010, we had a Government that was absolutely obsessed with minimising the deficit... with doing anything it could to narrow the gap between income and expenditure. Is it seriously plausible that this Government would deliberately let untold billions of tax that could have helped it achieve its prime objective go uncollected? Is it not rather more likely that the reason multinational organisations tend to pay so little tax is that it's extraordinarily difficult to devise regulations - and alongside that, various agreements between different countries - to stop companies that operate across multiple administrations from taking advantage of this to minimise their tax?
     
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    Luxembourg has less social problems than many UK, French, German cities.
    So in a place Like Glasgow or Cologne you will have to deal with homeless.
    I much prefer making public transport cheaper but yet keep a price. It also reduced unnecerssary journeys which take up capacity and consumes energy.
     
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    If Simon Calder's figures are correct, passenger fares cover only 3% of the cost of CFL's rail system.
    Compare that to our 65%-ish.
    Luxembourg is of course one of the richest countries in Europe with one of the lowest tax regimes.
    It might cost a resident only €4 for a day ticket on all transport, but it still cost me €10 for a 20-minute trip from Arlon (last station in Belgium) to Luxembourg city.
     

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