I have been told by a northern employee that 2 class 333 have been scrapped( I think withdrawn) can anyone find out or comfirm this? I Know there are issues with 009 and has been at Derby but also another 333 might have the same issue
In the case of the 332s, they never had a mid-life overhaul in their life, so their plight isn't exactly surprising...Slightly OT, but the limited longevity of both the 332s and 333s doesn't bode well for CAF built multiple units, so the Civity's initial issues might not be entirely unrelated. The 333s have had less than 20 years in service so maybe scrapping might be a valid business strategy.
... and the 333s? They aren't doing that well, hence this thread's title.In the case of the 332s, they never had a mid-life overhaul in their life, so their plight isn't exactly surprising...
The 332s aren't going because they're knackered, they are going because it is more operationally convenient to use different units and there's no real home for that type of EMU.
Hopefully the unit with the really unreliable doors will abscond. I’d be sad to see the 333s go as they’ve made themselves at home in Yorkshire. It looks like they’ll never make it to Doncaster.Mess room gossip was that 333s were to be replaced by a further order of 331s, but apparently the next stage of the 333 refurb with a new PIS/USB sockets is due to begin later this year. It wouldn't totally surprise me though if the worst few 333s were got rid of with a few replacement 331s instead, but I don't know if contracts etc would allow for that.
Had a quick scan through Gemini earlier at work it didn't throw up many clues. 003 and 007 seemed to have been stopped for a while but it could just be that the information has not been updated.
Here's one at Doncaster Halish
Pretty sure I've worked those two fairly recently or so do I don't think they're stopped.Had a quick scan through Gemini earlier at work it didn't throw up many clues. 003 and 007 seemed to have been stopped for a while but it could just be that the information has not been updated.
Here's one at Doncaster Halish
I don't know any of them to be particularly noteworthy for being unreliable. They might have less seats, but they're pretty much being used interchangeably with 333s now the 32x have gone. I definitely prefer a 333 over a 331 though!Hopefully the unit with the really unreliable doors will abscond. I’d be sad to see the 333s go as they’ve made themselves at home in Yorkshire. It looks like they’ll never make it to Doncaster.
As for the 331s, in they’re current guise they’re not suitable 333 replacements due to the decrease in seats.
Edit: New PIS? Does that mean that the current announcements are going?
You say that, but given the economics of not having to route clear a new type of traction, train crew and fitters on a different type of stock, carry a different set of spare parts etc. I would expect that if the 333s are going anywhere then it'll be more 331s that replace them.I doubt the DFT would order another 16 331s, the more likely short-term solution would be to draft in the Class 365 Networkers. These are currently sat around at Crewe doing nothing.
The 332s aren't going because they're knackered
Does that include the one that was out of service for a couple of years being cannibalised for parts?They’ve all just been refurbished so I doubt they would refurbish them all if some would be scrapped. 333009 is undergoing bogie bolster repairs at Derby RTC.
Yep, all 16 have been refurbished.Does that include the one that was out of service for a couple of years being cannibalised for parts?
333009 was actually the aforementioned Christmas tree at Neville Hill a few years back.Does that include the one that was out of service for a couple of years being cannibalised for parts?
Hopefully the 332’s will be able to provide plenty of spare parts in the near future.
I wasn't surprised at all. As has been mentioned upthread the 332s have no TPWS so would need fitting, have an unconventional interior set-up that isn't really suitable for any Northern routes*, and are owned by Heathrow Airport rather than by a ROSCO. It's one of those things that seems to make sense at face value until you realise all the things that make it awkward. Their mechanical condition isn't said to be great either.I was surprised that a few 332s didn't come to Leeds to replace 321/22s and supplement 333s. Then either fewer 331s would have needed building, or they could have replaced more 319s at this point.
Indeed the 14x332’s including 5x5 coach units would be ideal however, as mentioned many many times before there are just too many expensive problems to overcome including current availability to make them a viable option. In the long run the new build 331’s make far more sense even though I don’t personally believe they are the perfect unit for the routes.I wasn't surprised at all. As has been mentioned upthread the 332s have no TPWS so would need fitting, have an unconventional interior set-up that isn't really suitable for any Northern routes*, and are owned by Heathrow Airport rather than by a ROSCO. It's one of those things that seems to make sense at face value until you realise all the things that make it awkward. Their mechanical condition isn't said to be great either.
*= Nope, not even for the posh folk up Wharfedale, or the Cheshire set!
Mechanically the 331s are the perfect unit for Northern commuter routes, with their fast acceleration and wide vestibules... unfortunately as the "Northern Connect" concept was flawed from the outset, the new units all came with a low-density interior which is entirely unsuitable for the Airedale and Wharfedale lines.Indeed the 14x332’s including 5x5 coach units would be ideal however, as mentioned many many times before there are just too many expensive problems to overcome including current availability to make them a viable option. In the long run the new build 331’s make far more sense even though I don’t personally believe they are the perfect unit for the routes.