PRE (Preston) - MEC (Meols Cop)

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  1. PR1Berske

    PR1Berske Established Member

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    Afternoon forum

    Going to the FA Cup match on Saturday between Southport and Barnet, SO, just checking...


    Is it broadly correct that Preston - Burscough - Meols Cop is acceptable

    whilst

    Is it broadly correct that Preston - Wigan - Meols Cop is not acceptable?


    Many thanks
     
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  3. LexyBoy

    LexyBoy Established Member Fares Advisor

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    Meols Cop has Preston as an associated Routeing Point, so the only permitted routes are:
    - The shortest route and routes up to 3 miles longer than the shortest;
    - Direct trains (not applicable)

    I'm sure that via Wigan must be more than 3 miles longer, so I'd expect via Burscough to be the only valid route (unless an easement allows it - not clear from my quick look).

    However, National Rail Enquiries, the "definitive source of rail information", shows Wigan as being a valid route, so I'd be happy travelling this way.

    Not sure what you mean by "broadly correct" though... permitted routes are defined precisely between two stations; all tickets routed "Any Permitted" will be valid on all permitted routes between the stations shown on the ticket.
     
  4. PR1Berske

    PR1Berske Established Member

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    Cheers Lexy Boy

    I'll stick with Burscough as the route of least potential hassle ;)
     
  5. yorkie

    yorkie Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    Terms like "broadly" and "acceptable" make me wonder what the question is: do you want to know if it's valid (as defined in the NRCoC/Routeing Guide) or whether a guard would accept it?

    If a route looks reasonable to a guard, that guard will accept it without checking the Routeing Guide. If a route looks unreasonable to a guard, then one of several things could happen (such as the guard calling Control to check the Routeing Guide, looking it up him/herself, or maybe using previous knowledge that a route is invalid), ultimately it is the Routeing Guide that will determine whether or not the ticket is valid.
     
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    Can't speak for virgin train staff but I know all my Northern collegues would OK your route VIA Wigan so make sure you get a Northern Service from preston ( Blackpool to Liverpool Lime Street) to Wigan NW and then get a Southport Train from Wigan Wallgate. When I guarded on the Southport - Manchester services a few years back, I came across quite a few people going your way and accepted their tickets no problem. Reason? Because I know going VIA Burscough is a pain due to the infrequent services from Preston.
     
  7. PR1Berske

    PR1Berske Established Member

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    Tbh, it's a bit from column a, a bit from column b.

    I have experienced guards whose attitude is a little.....harder......when it comes to the rules and that doesn't always mean "accurately reflecting the regulations he has access to".

    (Note, this is not a "all guards are bar-stewards" auto-rant)

    I write a regular groundhopping column for a football website to trying to make my way through the timetables and routing maps of England always leaves me with a slight doubt about whether I'm making the right journey :D:D:oops::oops::oops:

    On reflection, it does seem odd to go down as far as Wigan to pick up a train I'd be catching anyway from Burscough.
     
  8. raildude

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    Rail tickets are accepted on the express X2 bus between Preston and Southport.

    Bus runs every 30 mins from outside the station, then get a local train to Meols Cop.
     
  9. scrapy

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    NRE shows it to be valid via Wigan. Get a print out of your journey details from there and you should be fine.

    Wigan is the shortest route, as surely they don't expect you to walk 3/4 mile between stations in Burscough. What about less able bodied people?
     
  10. Gathursty

    Gathursty Established Member

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    Burscough Bridge and Junction stations aren't too faraway from each other to walk imo, but to let the train do the donkey work, go to Wigan and change.

    Last time I did the change, it took about 10 mins to walk between them but I think there should be a bit more signage pointing towards Burscough Junction.
     
  11. snail

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    Wouldn't that be over-travelling on a Meols Cop ticket though? I think you would need tickets for Preston-Southport and Southport-Meols Cop to cover it.
     
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