PRIV and how do we get tickets for travel .....

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With a requirement from some operators to buy tickets in advance and with reservations can we buy a ticket and reserve for a train immediately? After all we cannot book online, or will there be some allowance for staff travel? Just a thought.....
 
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With a requirement from some operators to buy tickets in advance and with reservations can we buy a ticket and reserve for a train immediately? After all we cannot book online, or will there be some allowance for staff travel? Just a thought.....
Seeing as leisure travel isnt currently permitted it doesnt really matter.
 

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Seeing as leisure travel isnt currently permitted it doesnt really matter.
Technically, a family emergency would be classified as leisure travel. But to answer the OP, staff travelling in such urgent and essential circumstances will be required to have a reservation the same as Joe Public. However, staff are requested to not make reservations more than an hour before train departure (as far as my TOC are concerned - I expect others will be similar).
 

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Regarding PRIV travel here is what RSTL says - I suggest this should be taken as definitive until the 2020 Summer Restrictions come out:

Delay to the publication of the Summer 2020 restrictions
The publication of the Summer 2020 Staff Travel Restrictions has been delayed by a few days. This is to incorporate changes being introduced by TOCs to manage travel as the timetable evolves over the next few weeks, including mandatory seat reservations on some services.

As soon as this information is ready, we will publish in on the Where Can I Go and Restrictions page.

As a reminder, on 11 May 2020 the Government advised that travel by rail is for essential journeys only. This includes people using staff travel facilities.
and

Unnecessary travel during the Covid-19 emergency
The UK Government has agreed to the implementation of a reduced rail timetable during the Covid-19 emergency period. This will ensure that key workers are still able to travel and essential travel is possible.

These train services offer the opportunity for key workers to travel with the necessary social distancing at stations and on board trains to prevent the spread of the Coronavirus.

You must not travel by train unless you are a key worker or your journey is absolutely necessary. This means that you should not be making any leisure journeys by train at this time.

You must stay away from railway stations to ensure that stations are kept clear. This will reduce the risk of spreading the infection to key workers, TOC and Network Rail employees.

If you require more information then the following organisations have published information which you can find here:

This ban on unnecessary travel and congregating at stations remains in force until further notice.

23 March 2020
 

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I was under the impression that you could use public transport if you did not own a car. There is nothing that suggests otherwise?
 

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In law, there is no restriction on mode of transport, only the reason for being out of the household which includes leisurely activities. Anything outside of this law are merely guidelines and ministerial advice.
 

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Like the whole UK Government approach to Covid-19, it isn't. In law, there is no restriction on mode of transport, only the reason for being out of the household which includes leisurely activities. Anything outside of this law are merely guidelines and ministerial advice.
Thank you.
 

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I think there would be a few circumstances where you could legitimately use your PRIV facilities at the moment. The defintion of leisure travel as far as staff travel is concerned is not the same as leisure activites for the purposes of Covid-19 related restrictions. If you had to travel to a medical appointment or to carry out essential shopping, that would be leisure travel as far as staff travel are concerned, and would be a legitimate reason to use public transport right now, so I don't see any reason why you could not obtain a Priv discounted ticket for such a journey.
 

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I think there would be a few circumstances where you could legitimately use your PRIV facilities at the moment. The defintion of leisure travel as far as staff travel is concerned is not the same as leisure activites for the purposes of Covid-19 related restrictions. If you had to travel to a medical appointment or to carry out essential shopping, that would be leisure travel as far as staff travel are concerned, and would be a legitimate reason to use public transport right now, so I don't see any reason why you could not obtain a Priv discounted ticket for such a journey.
How about using priv travel to travel to a place of exercise?
 

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So we've suddenly changed mindset from law to TOC requests and guidelines? Please state where in the NRCOT or in the given law it requires you do not use public transportation without being on an essential journey.
By not following reasonable TOC instructions with relation to a staff discount ticket . You leave yourself open to disciplinary action and or withdrawal of the travel concession.
 

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I don't see that that would be permitted. You should be either exercising from your home or using private transport to get there.
It's against government advice but not illegal. However the briefing from staff travel about how staff travel facilities should only be used for essential journeys would put you on very thin ground using a priv for exercise. Particularly if it involved travelling on a reservation only train which are going to be intermediate and long distance services
 

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So we've suddenly changed mindset from law to TOC requests and guidelines? Please state where in the NRCOT or in the given law it requires you do not use public transportation without being on an essential journey.
If you were a railway employee wouldn't you be operating within the TOC requests and guidelines? The thread is talking about staff travel after all......
 

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The legislation can be found here: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/350/regulation/6/
Restrictions on movement

6.—(1) During the emergency period, no person may leave [F1or be outside of] the place where they are living without reasonable excuse.

(2) For the purposes of paragraph (1), a reasonable excuse includes the need—

(a)to obtain basic necessities, including food and medical supplies for those in the same household (including any pets or animals in the household) or for vulnerable persons and supplies for the essential upkeep, maintenance and functioning of the household, or the household of a vulnerable person, F2... including from any business listed in Part 3 of Schedule 2;

[F3(aa)to obtain money from or deposit money with any business listed in paragraphs 33 or 34 of Schedule 2;]

[F4(ab)to collect goods which have been ordered from a business in any way permitted under regulation 5(1)(a);]

[F5(b)to take exercise—

(i)alone,

(ii)with one or more members of their household, or

(iii)with one member of another household;]

[F6(ba)to visit a public open space for the purposes of open-air recreation to promote their physical or mental health or emotional wellbeing—

(i)alone,

(ii)with one or more members of their household, or

(iii)with one member of another household;]

(c)to seek medical assistance, including to access any of the services referred to in paragraph 37 or 38 of Schedule 2;

(d)to provide care or assistance, including relevant personal care within the meaning of paragraph 7(3B) of Schedule 4 to the Safeguarding of Vulnerable Groups Act 2006 F7, to a vulnerable person, or to provide emergency assistance;

(e)to donate blood;

(f)to F8... work or to provide voluntary or charitable services, where it is not reasonably possible for that person to work, or to provide those services, from the place where they are living;

(g)to attend a funeral of—

(i)a member of the person's household,

(ii)a close family member, or

(iii)if no-one within sub-paragraphs (i) or (ii) are attending, a friend;

[F9(ga)to visit a burial ground or garden of remembrance, to pay respects to a member of the person’s household, a family member or friend;]

(h)to fulfil a legal obligation, including attending court or satisfying bail conditions, or to participate in legal proceedings;

(i)to access critical public services, including—

(i)childcare or educational facilities (where these are still available to a child in relation to whom that person is the parent, or has parental responsibility for, or care of the child);

(ii)social services;

(iii)services provided by the [F10Department for Work] and Pensions;

(iv)services provided to victims (such as victims of crime);

(j)in relation to children who do not live in the same household as their parents, or one of their parents, to continue existing arrangements for access to, and contact between, parents and children, and for the purposes of this paragraph, “parent” includes a person who is not a parent of the child, but who has parental responsibility for, or who has care of, the child;

(k)in the case of a minister of religion or worship leader, to go to their place of worship;

[F11(l)to undertake any of the following activities in connection with the purchase, sale, letting or rental of a residential property—

(i)visiting estate or letting agents, developer sales offices or show homes;

(ii)viewing residential properties to look for a property to buy or rent;

(iii)preparing a residential property to move in;

(iv)moving home;

(v)visiting a residential property to undertake any activities required for the rental or sale of that property;]

(m)to avoid injury or illness or to escape a risk of harm.

[F12(n)to use a waste or recycling centre.]

(3) For the purposes of paragraph (1), the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises.

(4) Paragraph (1) does not apply to any person who is homeless.

[F13(5) For the purposes of paragraph (2)(ba), “public open space” includes—

(a)land laid out as a public garden or used for the purpose of recreation by members of the public;

(b)land which is “open country” as defined in section 59(2) of the National Parks and Access to the Countryside Act 1949, as read with section 16 of the Countryside Act 1968;

(c)land which is “access land” for the purposes of Part 1 of the Countryside and Rights of Way Act 2000 (see section 1(1) of that Act).]
However for rail staff discounted "PRIV" travel, additional restrictions may apply; see the link and quote provided by @Mag_seven
 
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