Progress of delivery of cascaded/refurbished/PRM modified stock to TFW/Wales and Borders

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  1. tomos dafis

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    Since we have been locked out of the TFW stock shortages thread I thought we might continue discussion of this on here and follow developments.
     
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  3. Murray J

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    Sounds good. Last thing posted on the old thread was that "we reckon that 153309 has gone to Canton and 153314 and 153322 have gone on to Landore". Hopefully this gets confirmed soon.
     
  4. PHILIPE

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    Correct. 153309 detached at Cardiff Central and went on own to Canton. Possibly workload arrangements.
     
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    So far TFW has received 5 ex GWR 153's, 5 (I might need correcting there) ex GA 170's and today 3 ex GA 153's went to Landore for dilapidation repairs before being handed to TFW. Tomorrow the final two ex GA 153's are due to move to Landore. I attach a link shared previously shared so those with an interest can follow this move. Future moves can then be posted and discussed here as and when they happen or are planned; https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K05656/2019-12-03/detailed
     
  6. tomos dafis

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    Thanks for the info. You posted whilst I was in the process of composing my second post.
     
  7. PHILIPE

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    2 x ex GA went to Landore and the other to Canton
     
  8. PHILIPE

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    I think we've all got the picture now :D:D
     
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    Why was the previous thread locked? I can't see any explanation for it.
     
  10. anamyd

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    as of 2/12/19, 6 170s have been delivered to TfW at Canton depot (in order of delivery - 170207, 170270, 170272, 170273, 170206 and 170202).

    The first three were delivered straight from Norwich to Canton before the work at Tyseley was a thing; of those, "207" has remained Canton-based throughout, "270" went from Canton to Tyseley for the work and back to Canton, and "272" went from Canton to Tyseley but is still there so you're in a way right with 5.

    The last three were moved from Norwich to Tyseley where they had the work done, then were delivered from Tyseley to Canton depot ("270" came back on the back of "206").

    I'll try not to go into too much detail because this isn't the 170s thread :p Having said that, it's rumoured that tomorrow, the other 2 153s, on their way from Norwich to Landore, will pick up one of the 5 170s that are at Tyseley ("271" is the only one left at Norwich) and drop it off at Canton.
     
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    Here's today's video of the 3 153s going through Cardiff Central :D
     
  12. Cambrian359

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    It’s the 2nd or 3rd TFW stock shortage thread to be locked, perhaps one of the mods doesn’t like the welsh :lol::lol: (I joke)
    It’s good to see more units arriving though!just need the 230s now :smile:
     
  13. anamyd

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    and the 769s :p
     
  14. Transformeren

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    Realistically, whilst the pacers are indeed, horrific, 153s are not exactly an upgrade.

    What is the thinking behind hiring such antiqued stock? Was there no way of buying new stock instead in franchise or was the bid selection poor?
     
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    Most of TfW Rail's stock will be replaced by new trains. The 153s are only temporary.
     
  16. Cambrian359

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    They are a temporary measure.
    Plenty of new stock on order,see attachment
     

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  17. Brissle Girl

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    They weren’t planned, but are a stopgap given the non arrival of the 769s.
     
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    148 brand new trains have been ordered (and their TOPS classes were revealed today). Only the 170s, Mark 4s and 230s will stay alongside them long term. TfW are doing everything they can to get extra capacity in the shorter term.
     
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    TFW have ordered new stock but they can't do anything until they are in situ and it is not possible to procure and build overnight.
     
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    The 153 move from Norwich today left Right Time
     
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    Are the five Angel 153s staying with TfW or being replaced by the Porterbrook owned ones which have/are coming from GWR and AGA? Notable it is just Porterbrook ones which are going to Long Marston for PRM mods.
     
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    Thanks for the info :)
     
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    As long as required and in addition to the GWR ones which transferred at the end of March.
     
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    They moved on April Fool's Day actually :p
     
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    5 of the 153s were planned, but any further ones weren't
     
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    The additional ones were offered by Porterbrook to compensate for their failure to produce the 769s.
     
  27. anamyd

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    Thanks, but I was referring to the original plan :)
     
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    According to Modern Railways this month, any extra 153s TfW recieve to compensate for the lack of 769s will not be PRM modified and are being put straight into service, as these 153s are expected to be withdrawn as soon as the 769s are in service, so could only be in Wales a few months
     
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    that makes sense :) "getting away" with non-PRM compliance for short-term use, or something!
     
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    The "picking up a 170" rumour didn't come true :p Just the 153s, will upload the video soon :)
     
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