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Progress of delivery of cascaded/refurbished/PRM modified stock to TFW/Wales and Borders

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With regards to 175010, there is a path to and from Widnes this evening. So guess 010 is coming home and another going in.
 
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anamyd said:
No 150 has actually been refurbished under TfW to their spec (as in livery, seat moquette, table surfaces, floor coverings etc) although 150264/284/285 were repainted after corrosion repair, and their interiors stripped and rebuilt as part of their overhauls, but all to mock ATW spec. PRM mods and fitment of power sockets alongside them don't count as refurbishment.

Are the 150s going to be fully refurbished like the ex-ATW/GWR 153s, as I thought this was a franchise requirement...? It's a bit concerning that the interior mockups in the TV advert were 153/158/170/175 but not 150. Also, has any TfW spec 158 interior refurbishment started yet and which 175s are at Widnes...? Was good to see the retrimmed seats in I'm assuming the wrapped 769. The 170s can wait because they're staying long-term.
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I believe all units will be done to full TfW spec as per 153 and 175 refurbs. Presumably the 150s will get an interior refurb and revinyl (I'm sure they are just getting a vinyl wrap I've seen) once all PrM mods are out the way and the unit shortage is solved or at least eased. No 158s have been internally done either.
The 175 at Widnes is 175010 and the 769 in the pics is 769008.
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There are certainly plans to do a proper refurb on the 150s. I've seen pictures showing what they'll look like. I believe the plan is to wait until later in the year when all the other works have been done as they're more time critical.
 
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3 of the ex EmR 153s just passed Newport. Unsure which 3 of the 4 but 310 was the back one.
 
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Theres also a path for another 175 to head to Widnes when 010 comes back..of the unrefurbished /0s all of 175005, 007 and 008 showing unallocated today so would guess one of those 3.
 
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There has been a fault on Genius today. Saying units not allocated when they are in service.
003 saying not allocated, but now on ctr-liv run
004 finishes in Carmarthen tonight
005 not allocated
007 saying not allocated but on a mia-lld service but is due back in chester at 20:55 so is a possibility
008 finishes in Holyhead tonight

My guess is 005 going in tonight
 
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Thanks for the responses guys :) @craigybagel I'd love to see those pictures but I fear that they're internal only :p Good to know that it's planned for the 150s though! As for the 158s, I'm assuming that they'll be started on once there are no more blue ones left...?

Here's a video of the 153s leaving Crewe that luckily was captured - not my video but that of YouTube user Crewe cab king.
 
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6Gtraincrew said:
There has been a fault on Genius today. Saying units not allocated when they are in service.
003 saying not allocated, but now on ctr-liv run
004 finishes in Carmarthen tonight
005 not allocated
007 saying not allocated but on a mia-lld service but is due back in chester at 20:55 so is a possibility
008 finishes in Holyhead tonight

My guess is 005 going in tonight
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Ah yes, the unit I'm on has no allocation either. Though it was odd so many out of use.
 
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142086 at Cardiff canton yesterday, anyone know why it’s with the other in service units and not at the back somewhere?
 

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Went past the unit going into witness yesterday, tried looking for the number but just as it went past me it absolutely hammered down, for about 3 seconds and stopped!! Well annoyed. Haha. So I didn’t get the number but it was another 2 car.
 
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Went past the unit going into witness yesterday, tried looking for the number but just as it went past me it absolutely hammered down, for about 3 seconds and stopped!! Well annoyed. Haha. So I didn’t get the number but it was another 2 car.
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On Genius its showing as 175005
 
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sw1ller said:
I looked in that, wasn’t giving me a unit number. And yesterday, genius was all over the place. Said my train was a 175 but a 150 turned up.
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It wasnt showing last night but this morning it showed for a bit before it disappeared.
It's the only unrefurbished /0 not out today so it does seem more plausible that it was correct.
 
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sd0733 said:
It wasnt showing last night but this morning it showed for a bit before it disappeared.
It's the only unrefurbished /0 not out today so it does seem more plausible that it was correct.
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Thanks for that. It did annoy me that I missed the number as it went past.
 
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So, a short-term fleet of 30 Pacers and 9 ex-GA/EMR 153s (I'm not counting the Mark 2 sets if they're going in February) running in 2020 to cover for 9 769s (including the delivered but unused 3) and 5 230s. That's 657 metres of carriage space covering for 1005 metres of carriage space, but 39 units covering for 14 units...? even if the Pacers all run doubled as 15x 4-car trains, and the "short term" 153s all run tripled as 3x 3-car trains (which they're not) that sounds a bit much. So, a lot more than those theoretical 18 trains to be replaced by 14 trains...? I must be missing something here, surely...? :p I know that we're only at 7 out of 11/12 170s in service at a time so far, but still...?
 
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anamyd said:
So, a short-term fleet of 30 Pacers and 9 ex-GA/EMR 153s (I'm not counting the Mark 2 sets if they're going in February) running in 2020 to cover for 9 769s (including the delivered but unused 3) and 5 230s. That's 657 metres of carriage space covering for 1005 metres of carriage space, but 39 units covering for 14 units...? even if the Pacers all run doubled as 15x 4-car trains, and the "short term" 153s all run tripled as 3x 3-car trains (which they're not) that sounds a bit much. So, a lot more than those theoretical 18 trains to be replaced by 14 trains...? I must be missing something here, surely...? :p I know that we're only at 7 out of 11/12 170s in service at a time so far, but still...?
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There are a lot more four car trains on the valleys now, which is good. For example, on Friday the 16:55 Barry Isand, 16:56 Merthyr and 17:05 Treherbert were all four cars; I've seen all three as two cars on the same day in the past. The key to replacing the Pacers is the 769s. The 230s and a couple of extra 170 diagrams won't make much difference.
 
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anamyd said:
Thanks for the responses guys :) @craigybagel I'd love to see those pictures but I fear that they're internal only :p Good to know that it's planned for the 150s though! As for the 158s, I'm assuming that they'll be started on once there are no more blue ones left...?

Here's a video of the 153s leaving Crewe that luckily was captured - not my video but that of YouTube user Crewe cab king.
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Hasn't it been repainted
 
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anamyd said:
So, a short-term fleet of 30 Pacers and 9 ex-GA/EMR 153s (I'm not counting the Mark 2 sets if they're going in February) running in 2020 to cover for 9 769s (including the delivered but unused 3) and 5 230s. That's 657 metres of carriage space covering for 1005 metres of carriage space, but 39 units covering for 14 units...? even if the Pacers all run doubled as 15x 4-car trains, and the "short term" 153s all run tripled as 3x 3-car trains (which they're not) that sounds a bit much. So, a lot more than those theoretical 18 trains to be replaced by 14 trains...? I must be missing something here, surely...? :p I know that we're only at 7 out of 11/12 170s in service at a time so far, but still...?
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In theory yes, but it's not quite that clear cut. It might be 39 units for 14 units but bear in mind that 769's are 4 car units, so effectively it's 18 Pacers worth, including the 5 230's is 23 units covered by 39. Add in that not all the 170's are in service yet, there's probably an increased rate of PRM 150's currently in for modifications.
And not forgetting there's not planned to be the full compliment of Pacers in service, I think it's only about 24/25.
Taking all that in to account and probably some other factors would probably work out about right.
The extra 153's from GA/EMR are from Porterbrook because of the 769 delays. The Pacers are already in the fleet anyway, so it makes sense to keep them all going, then if that's a surplus it a bonus for when things go wrong.
Whats more concerning is what happens if the 769's & 230's aren't in service by June. It's less than 6 months away and they haven't even been delivered and tested yet.
 
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