Elecman
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Certainly did say it pass me at Bletchley this morningReturn journey went south earlier.
Certainly did say it pass me at Bletchley this morningReturn journey went south earlier.
Hitachi Rail has delivered its 300th train for UK passengers with the latest Class 807 for Avanti West Coast.
This unit was delivered as part of Hitachi’s contribution to modernising UK rolling stock, which began with the introduction of the Class 395 Javelin in 2009.
807004Hitachi has announced an 807 is the 300th train for UK
started with Javelins, includes Scotland EMUs and IETs
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Hitachi Rail Delivers 300th UK Passenger Train
Hitachi Rail has delivered its 300th train for UK passengers with the latest Class 807 for Avanti West Coast.railway-news.com
I suspect they mean platform 5It won't have been able to go south from platform 1 at Lancaster.
No, it was P3I suspect they mean platform 5
Mystery solvedNo, it was P3
I thought I'd changed the typo before anyone saw it. Phone keyboards are useless!
Glad I'm not the only one that struggles , the joy of phones.No, it was P3
I thought I'd changed the typo before anyone saw it. Phone keyboards are useless!
As a regular passenger they are an inferior experience to the Voyagers that they have replaced.Glad I'm not the only one that struggles , the joy of phones.
I did see 805002 pass through Stafford on Wednesday night. I know there is probably a good reason, but why is it still unliveried & not in service like quite a few the others?
Just from base observations (and a somewhat issueous journey on 805012) they are rolling out quite well, they do make a statement on the WCML.
*photos of 805002 all white passing through Stafford northbound about 8pm*
Agreed, definitely. Well, I’m on the fence with the seating (in 2nd, it’s trash in first) because I do like that, but the clinical lighting, the drab boring 80x interior, the eyesore LCD scrolling PIS and announcement earache is really dire.As a regular passenger they are an inferior experience to the Voyagers that they have replaced.
Seating, heating, ride quality, equipment reliability (shop/galley/toilets), in some seating positions a wall not a window, and overall noise in saloon all a step back - I know Voyagers have the engine background noise but you shut that out subconsciously.
Again, agreed, definitely.Prefer a Pendolino over a Voyager though…
At the risk of going off topic, I much prefer the interior of the Avanti Super Voyagers to their Pendolinos, because of the far bigger windows on the former. Having said that, I think the Pendolinos have benefited from their refurbishment, I think the new Standard seats are far better than the original ones.Again, agreed, definitely.
I know I've seen them come thru Stoke before on training runs, always takes me by suprise seeing a Evero there,Do we know when the first in service diversions will be, I've seen that they have done training via alsager and stoke
None of them can match a well-maintained mark 3 thoughAt the risk of going off topic, I much prefer the interior of the Avanti Super Voyagers to their Pendolinos, because of the far bigger windows on the former. Having said that, I think the Pendolinos have benefited from their refurbishment, I think the new Standard seats are far better than the original ones.
below are the service's scheduled to be operated by an 805 starting wc 2nd June 2024, Anything not listed, continues to be operated by a 221 or 390.
Sundays - 14 x 805 services
1A16 10:14 Chester to Euston 1x 805
1D83 10:36 Crew to Euston 2 x 805
1B38 11:15 Wolverhampton to Euston 1 x 805
1A42 12:48 Holyhead to Euston 2 x 805
1D87 13:02 Euston to Holyhead 1 x805
1A36 13:32 Chester to Euston 1 x 805
1A48 13:48 Holyhead to Euston 2 x 805
9G29 15:15 Euston to Birmingham NS 1 x 805
9G32 16:15 Euston to Birmingham NS 1 x 805
1J32 17:01 Euston Wrexham General + Holyhead 2 x 805 as far as Chester
1B55 17:21 Birmingham NS to Euston 1 x 805
1K67 17:53 Holyhead to Crewe 1 x 805
1D92 18:01 Euston to Holyhead 2 x 805 as far as Chester
1D95 19:18 Chester to Holyhead 1 x 805
Monday to Friday Services 14 x 805 services
1D80 05:30 Birmingham NS to Holyhead 2 x 805
1A14 06:48 Holyhead to Euston 2 x 805 from Chester
1A26 08:53 Holyhead to Euston 2 x 805
1A19 09:20 Chester to Euston 1 x 805
1D86 12:02 Euston to Chester 1 x 805
1A50 12:48 Holyhead to Euston 2 x 805 from Chester
9G26 14:16 Euston to Birmingham NS 2 x 805
1D89 15:02 Euston to Holyhead 2 x 805 as far as Chester
1B52 16:21 Birmingam NS to Euston 2 x 805
1D91 17:02 Euston to Holyhead 2 x 805 as far as Chester
1A68 17:32 Chester to Euston 1 x 805
9G38 18:16 Euston to Wolverhampton 2 x 805
1G00 19:48 Holyhead to Birmingham NS 1 x 805
1D94 20:02 Euston to Holyhead 1 x 805
Saturday services 18 x 805 services
1D80 05:30 Birmingam NS to Holyhead 1 x 805
1B25 07:21 Birmingham NS to Euston 1 x 805
1A26? 07:48 Holyhead to Euston 2 x 805 from Chester
9G08 08:16 Euston to Birmingam NS 1 x 805
1A34 08:48 Holyhead to Euston 1 x 805
9G11 09:16 Euston to Birmingham NS 1 x 805
1B31 09:21 Birmingham NS to Euston 1 x 805
1B34 10:21 Birmingham NS to Euston 1 x 805
1B37 11:21 Birmingham NS to Euston 1 x 805
1D86 12:02 Euston to Chester 2 x 805
1D87 13:02 Euston to Holyhead 1 x 805
1A58 14:32 Chester to Euston 2 x 805
9G32 16:16 Euston to Birmingham NS 1 x 805
1D91 17:02 Euston to Chester 2 x 805
9G38 18:16 Euston to Birminghmam NS 1 x 805
1B58 18:21 Birmingham NS to Euston 1 x 805
9G41 19:16 Euston to Wolverhampton 1 x 805
9G44 20:25 Euston to Wolverhampton 1 x 805
I don't think anything has changed.None of them can match a well-maintained mark 3 though
Are these still the only 805 workings, or have more been introduced since June?
And any news on when 807s will enter public service?
In Septembers TfN meeting minutes there was a letter from NR in respect of WCML performance but also including this paragraph about infrastructure constraints.It has been reported that Avanti's plan to run the second Liverpool service per hour would require bi-mode trains as the power supply between Crewe and Weaver Junction was not able to cope with the electrical demand pending some sort of upgrade. The upgrade I understand was planned but never implemented yet. There doesn't seem to be any concrete news on when that will take place.
So for now, with most of the 805's spoken for for Holyhead services, it seems the 807's are to be used on Euston to Birmingham once they are introduced and accepted.
The Liverpool,feeder is at Speke not Edge Hill , there is a Track Sectioning location at WavertreeIn Septembers TfN meeting minutes there was a letter from NR in respect of WCML performance but also including this paragraph about infrastructure constraints.
View attachment 166233
Certainly suggests that 807's may have to run on diesel over part of the route to Liverpool.
Is there not a feeder stn at Edge Hill as well?
Thanks for clarity and as its not mentioned in the letter then presumably its the Crewe area that is the limiting factor for an extra Liverpool although whether that is under an outage condition or normal running isn't explained.The Liverpool,feeder is at Speke not Edge Hill , there is a Track Sectioning location at Wavertree
Certainly suggests that 807's may have to run on diesel over part of the route to Liverpool.
But that could seriously affect the Holyhead to London services.807s can't run on diesel as they have no engines. They could use 805s instead though. I think I read somewhere (upthread?) that that may be the case.
But that could seriously affect the Holyhead to London services.
There's no Shrewsbury service to resource, and the Blackpool 805 could go EMU.There are enough units to operate the service that is operating now plus have some spare for something else e.g. Liverpool peak extras. It's not ideal but it's possible, and I'm fairly sure it's what was under consideration in the interim.
There is only one two car 805 west of Chester which operates 1D80 ++ 1A26+ 1D91There's no Shrewsbury service to resource, and the Blackpool 805 could go EMU.
Arguably there are also now too many 10-car sets on the coast, probably not wanting joining problems at Chester/Crewe,