Query regarding Victoria line 1967 stock and Metropolitan line A stock

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  1. 12CSVT

    12CSVT Established Member

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    Does anybody know if the following units are still in service (haven't seen any of these units running this year)
    Victoria Line 1967 stock 3017, 3036, 3046, 3051, 3064
    Metropolitan Line A stock 5052, 5068, 5142

    By the way I am aware that around 1/4 of the 1967 stock has probably now been withdrawn as 2009 stock up to 11031/032 is now in service
     
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  3. Peter Mugridge

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    I'll check my notes for you tonight; I did a lot of Victoria Line and Met Line photography back in July when I had a 30 day permit and I got a large chunk of the stock on both lines back then.

    I'm pretty sure I got 36, 46 and 51 in that month on the Vic and at least 2 of those 3 on the Met ring a bell in my mind.
     
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    3017, 3036, 3051 and 3064 have been withdrawn. I'm not sure about 3046.

    Below is a list of 1967 stock that I posted on District Dave's forum recently. As no-one seems to know all the units that have been withdrawn, I included the most recent time a unit has been seen in service, so that if the list is updated often, we would be able to work out which units have been withdrawn:

    Last updated: 25/10/2010

    Latest updates in bold.

    A end Units - At least 9 Withdrawn / Scrapped:
    3001 Scrapped 07/2010
    3003 In service 10/2010
    3005 In service 15/10/2010
    3007 In service 10/2010
    3009 Scrapped 2010
    3011 In service 29/07/2010
    3012 Scrapped 01/2010 (Test train)
    3016 Scrapped 08/2010
    3017 Scrapped 03/2010
    3018 Scrapped 2010

    3020 In service 29/07/2010
    3022 In service 10/2010
    3024
    3026 In service 29/07/2010
    3028 In service 29/07/2010
    3029 In service 16/10/2010
    3030 In service 13/03/2010
    3034 In service 10/2010
    3035 In service 10/2010
    3036 Scrapped 07/2010
    3037 In service 16/10/2010
    3041 In service 22/08/2010
    3042 In service 29/07/2010
    3043 In service 29/07/2010
    3045 In service 29/07/2010
    3046
    3047 In service 29/07/2010
    3048 Scrapped 09/2010
    3050 In service 29/07/2010
    3052 Withdrawn 10/2010
    3054 In service 10/2010
    3056 In service 29/07/2010

    D end Units: - At least 9 Withdrawn / Scrapped:
    3102 In service 16/10/2010
    3104 In service 15/10/2010
    3106 In service 16/10/2010
    3108 Scrapped 04/2010
    3110 In service 16/07/2010
    3113 Scrapped 03/2010
    3114 In service 13/09/2010
    3115 In service 27/07/2010
    3119 Scrapped 07/2010
    3121 In service 10/2010
    3123 In service 27/07/2010
    3125 Scrapped 2010
    3127 In service 16/10/2010
    3131 Scrapped 08/2010
    3132 In service 16/07/2010
    3133
    3138 Scrapped 2010
    3139 In service 16/10/2010
    3140 In service 27/07/2010
    3144 In service 16/07/2010
    3149 In service 16/07/2010
    3151 Scrapped 2010
    3153 Withdrawn 10/2010
    3155 In service 10/2010
    3157 Scrapped 09/2010
    3180 In service 16/07/2010
    3181 In service 17/09/2010
    3182 In service 02/07/2010
    3183
    3184 In service 16/07/2010
    3185
    3186 In service 10/2010

    Double ended Units: - At least 2 Withdrawn / Scrapped:
    3058 In service 02/07/2010
    3059
    3060 In service 16/10/2010
    3061 In service 16/10/2010
    3062 In service 28/06/2010
    3063
    3064 Scrapped 2010
    3065 In service 16/07/2010
    3066 In service 16/07/2010
    3067 In service 29/07/2010
    3068
    3069
    3070 In service 20/07/2010
    3071 In service 22/08/2010
    3072 In service 16/07/2010
    3073 In service 08/2010
    3074 In service 17/09/2010
    3075
    3076 In service 08/2010
    3077 Scrapped 01/2010 (Test train)
    3078 In service 28/07/2010
    3079 In service 07/2010

    The only A stock units withdrawn recently were 5173 and 5197. Apart from the ones scrapped in the 80s and 90s (due to accidents etc.), all the others are still in service.

    Also, 2009TS up to 11036 are now in service.
     
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    That's a useful list; when I check my notes tonight I can probably fill in a fair few confirmations of still in service dates for the blanks.

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    Right... Here are my sightings from those above:

    On the Met:

    5052 I saw on the 29th July.
    5142 I saw on the 2nd July.

    On the Victoria Line, my most recent sightings of those not dated above, plus more recent dates for those that are dated above, are:

    03: 29th July
    06: 16th October
    07: 29th July
    10: 16th July
    11: 29th July
    20: 29th July
    21: 20th August
    22: 29th July
    26: 29th July
    28: 29th July
    32: 16th July
    35: 20th August
    42: 29th July
    43: 29th July
    44: 16th July
    45: 29th July
    47: 29th July
    49: 16th July
    50: 29th July
    54: 29th July
    55: 2nd July
    56: 29th July
    58: 2nd July
    65: 16th July
    66: 16th July
    67: 29th July
    72: 16th July
    78: 28th July
    80: 16th July
    82: 2nd July
    84: 16th JUly
    86: 16th July

    In addition, of the scrapped ones:

    01 was still in service on 10th July
    19 was still in service on 16th July
     
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    Thanks. Also, a member on District Dave posted more recent still in service dates for a few units. I've updated the list.
     
  7. 12CSVT

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    Many thanks to Peter Mugridge and astock5000 for the updates. I have been doing quite a few 'long distance' bashes on these veteran units recently (Brixton - Walthamstow, Aldgate/Baker Street - Amersham/Chesham etc). No doubt I'll be doing similar trips on C stock from next year before they get withdrawn.
     
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    5068 was reported elsewhere as running to Upminster(!) last ecs for wheel lathe attention. Apparently it was the first A stock ever to that location and had to run slowly as it had to effectively act as the guaging run as well!

    So... it's still an active unit.
     
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    If it helps, I noted units 3082,3084,3085 and 3086 on the 19th October.
     
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    Running on which Line? Thee are neither MET or Victoria units.
     
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    They are Victoria line 1967TS units (although they are normally called 3182/4/5/6, as they are 'D' end units).
     
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    If it helps, I've had the following, working backwards towards and including 1st October.
    (btw, when I say 3027 was being taken out, I don't mean for scrap, I just mean a *severe* wheel flat).

    3050 In service 06/11/2010
    3132 In service 02/11/2010
    3104 In service 02/11/2010
    3037 In service 01/11/2010
    3175 In service 29/10/2010
    3027 In service 29/10/2010 - (Was being removed from service due to wheel flats)
    3078 In service 25/10/2010
    3002 In service 25/10/2010
    3182 In service 22/10/2010
    3127 In service 21/10/2010
    3032 In service 14/10/2010
    3149 In service 14/10/2010
    3056 In service 07/10/2010
    3184 In service 07/10/2010
    3069 In service 06/10/2010
    3139 In service 06/10/2010
    3076 In service 01/10/2010
    3073 In service 01/10/2010
     
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    Having compiled my observations for October I can confirm that at least 50 of the 1967 units were in service last month.
    3002/3102
    3004/3104
    3005/3105
    3006/3106
    3007/3107
    3011/3111
    3014/3114
    3022/3122
    3023/3123
    3024/3124
    3026/3126
    3027/3127
    3028/3128
    3029/3129
    3032/3132
    3033/3133
    3034/3134
    3037/3137
    3039/3139
    3040/3140
    3041/3141
    3042/3142
    3044/3144
    3047/3147
    3050/3150
    3054/3154
    3055/3155
    3056/3156
    3058/3158
    3059/3159
    3060/3160
    3061/3161
    3065/3165
    3067/3167
    3069/3169
    3070/3170
    3071/3171
    3072/3172
    3073/3173
    3074/3174
    3075/3175
    3076/3176
    3078/3178
    3079/3179
    3080/3180
    3081/3181
    3082/3182
    3084/3184
    3085/3185
    3086/3186
     
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    I did a Paris day trip yesterday which meant using the Victoria Line across London to / from St Pancras so if it helps...

    On Thursday ( 4th ) I had 70 + 06 for haulage and also observed 80 + 24.

    Last night ( 5th ) I had 04 + 47 for haulage.
     
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    Out of curiosity - the (EDIT: old) Vicky line trains are composed of 2 half-sets - there seems to be a second cab in the middle of the train, but the other half doesn't have a cab - what's going on there?

    Also - how many trains (8 cars) does the Vicky line have? Those new ones are properly quick off the mark.
     
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    The 1967 stock is formed of pairs of 4 car units which were built as double ended. A few years ago when the cabs were upgraded, some were left untreated and are always formed in the middle of the train - these are known as single ended units but do still have the second cab; it's just never used in service.

    Some units had both cabs upgraded; these are known as double ended units. They can be identified by the livery - the cabs in the middle of the train are painted round in the same way as the outer cabs, whereas on the single ended units these middle of train cabs have plain paintwork round them.

    The new 2009 stock is still formed of two four car units, but they are built with only one cab per 4 cars.
     
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    There were 43 trains of 1967 tube stock. They are being replaced with 47 trains of 2009 stock.
    That isn't exactly correct. That's what happened to the A stock when it was converted to OPO, but the 1967TS were always OPO.
    There are two reasons why there are single ended units - some had their ATO equipment removed (due to a shortage of spares), and other inner driving motors are actually 1972 Mk1 tube stock, and were never fitted with ATO. At some point a decision was made to keep units 3058 - 3079 'double ended' for flexibility.
    This is why the numbering is messy, instead of having the first 32 units 'A' end, then the next ones 'D' end, etc - like the 'A' stock is (sort of).
    The double ended units also have fittings for the inter car barriers on the cab ends (the single ended ones obviously don't need them on their outer ends).

    Also, unit 3102 has been withdrawn.
     
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    Spent some time on the Victoria Line this morning, from about 10.30 to 12.00, and of the 26 off peak diagrams that were running, 9 were formed of 2009 stock. I took the opportunity of noting all the 1967 stock that was running today - but remember this is off peak only and is therefore not exhaustive, but it will confirm that certain units are still in traffic for the purposes up updating the stock status list from earlier in the thread:

    11 + 84
    79 + 59
    22 + 23
    03 + 85
    05 + 49
    28 + 55
    40 + 41
    26 + 82
    39 + 67
    50 + 72
    71 + 33
    47 + 04
    35 + 62
    37 + 14
    76 + 58
    54 + 86
    74 + 81

    And the highest numbered 2009 pairing in traffic today was 11037 + 11038.

    I was positioned between Victoria and Seven sisters, so I will not have missed any short trip workings from the list.


    PS Astock5000 - Yes, I'd forgotten about the 1972 stock conversions!
     
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    I was on the victoria line then too! Although i was just passing through.
     
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    Don't suppose you spotted me on the platform did you?
     
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    Travelled between KX and Oxford Circus - jumped on one train as doors closed and didn't stop at other end, so Kylie could have been dancing in hot pants on the platform and I'd not have noticed!
     
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    You missed that?

    :)
     
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    You're right - I'd never be in THAT big a rush...
     
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    I was also on the Victoria line yesterday (on 11033 Victoria - Warren Street, and 3139 Warren Street - Blackhorse Road).

    Unit 3054 is on your list twice (shown as running with units 3047 and 3186).
     
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    Oh round ones - I can't read my own handwriting! Thanks for spotting that.

    Have corrected the list; the correction is 47 was with 04.
     
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    Mate of mine had 11047 + 11048 for haulage last week.
     
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    At last. I still keep ending up with them on a daily basis though :(

    Does anyone know which cars were the ones with the perch seats fitted, and whether they're still in service? Was it 3186?
     
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    It is 3186, and it is still in service.
     
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    I saw the following in service, as of January 3rd 2011:

    3067, 3028, 3061, 3060, 3050, 3184, 3078, 3075, 3111, 3072, 3005 and 3149

    I'm aware that some of them are probably 'D' end units and I've given the 'A' end number, but if I'm honest I'd say that single-ended units are getting much rarer, and all the double-ended units appear to be surviving.
     
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