Query regarding Victoria line 1967 stock and Metropolitan line A stock

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Does anybody know if the following units are still in service (haven't seen any of these units running this year)
Victoria Line 1967 stock 3017, 3036, 3046, 3051, 3064
Metropolitan Line A stock 5052, 5068, 5142

By the way I am aware that around 1/4 of the 1967 stock has probably now been withdrawn as 2009 stock up to 11031/032 is now in service
 
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I'll check my notes for you tonight; I did a lot of Victoria Line and Met Line photography back in July when I had a 30 day permit and I got a large chunk of the stock on both lines back then.

I'm pretty sure I got 36, 46 and 51 in that month on the Vic and at least 2 of those 3 on the Met ring a bell in my mind.
 

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Does anybody know if the following units are still in service (haven't seen any of these units running this year)
Victoria Line 1967 stock 3017, 3036, 3046, 3051, 3064
Metropolitan Line A stock 5052, 5068, 5142

By the way I am aware that around 1/4 of the 1967 stock has probably now been withdrawn as 2009 stock up to 11031/032 is now in service
3017, 3036, 3051 and 3064 have been withdrawn. I'm not sure about 3046.

Below is a list of 1967 stock that I posted on District Dave's forum recently. As no-one seems to know all the units that have been withdrawn, I included the most recent time a unit has been seen in service, so that if the list is updated often, we would be able to work out which units have been withdrawn:

Last updated: 25/10/2010

Latest updates in bold.

A end Units - At least 9 Withdrawn / Scrapped:
3001 Scrapped 07/2010
3003 In service 10/2010
3005 In service 15/10/2010
3007 In service 10/2010
3009 Scrapped 2010
3011 In service 29/07/2010
3012 Scrapped 01/2010 (Test train)
3016 Scrapped 08/2010
3017 Scrapped 03/2010
3018 Scrapped 2010

3020 In service 29/07/2010
3022 In service 10/2010
3024
3026 In service 29/07/2010
3028 In service 29/07/2010
3029 In service 16/10/2010
3030 In service 13/03/2010
3034 In service 10/2010
3035 In service 10/2010
3036 Scrapped 07/2010
3037 In service 16/10/2010
3041 In service 22/08/2010
3042 In service 29/07/2010
3043 In service 29/07/2010
3045 In service 29/07/2010
3046
3047 In service 29/07/2010
3048 Scrapped 09/2010
3050 In service 29/07/2010
3052 Withdrawn 10/2010
3054 In service 10/2010
3056 In service 29/07/2010

D end Units: - At least 9 Withdrawn / Scrapped:
3102 In service 16/10/2010
3104 In service 15/10/2010
3106 In service 16/10/2010
3108 Scrapped 04/2010
3110 In service 16/07/2010
3113 Scrapped 03/2010
3114 In service 13/09/2010
3115 In service 27/07/2010
3119 Scrapped 07/2010
3121 In service 10/2010
3123 In service 27/07/2010
3125 Scrapped 2010
3127 In service 16/10/2010
3131 Scrapped 08/2010
3132 In service 16/07/2010
3133
3138 Scrapped 2010
3139 In service 16/10/2010
3140 In service 27/07/2010
3144 In service 16/07/2010
3149 In service 16/07/2010
3151 Scrapped 2010
3153 Withdrawn 10/2010
3155 In service 10/2010
3157 Scrapped 09/2010
3180 In service 16/07/2010
3181 In service 17/09/2010
3182 In service 02/07/2010
3183
3184 In service 16/07/2010
3185
3186 In service 10/2010

Double ended Units: - At least 2 Withdrawn / Scrapped:
3058 In service 02/07/2010
3059
3060 In service 16/10/2010
3061 In service 16/10/2010
3062 In service 28/06/2010
3063
3064 Scrapped 2010
3065 In service 16/07/2010
3066 In service 16/07/2010
3067 In service 29/07/2010
3068
3069
3070 In service 20/07/2010
3071 In service 22/08/2010
3072 In service 16/07/2010
3073 In service 08/2010
3074 In service 17/09/2010
3075
3076 In service 08/2010
3077 Scrapped 01/2010 (Test train)
3078 In service 28/07/2010
3079 In service 07/2010

The only A stock units withdrawn recently were 5173 and 5197. Apart from the ones scrapped in the 80s and 90s (due to accidents etc.), all the others are still in service.

Also, 2009TS up to 11036 are now in service.
 
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That's a useful list; when I check my notes tonight I can probably fill in a fair few confirmations of still in service dates for the blanks.

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Right... Here are my sightings from those above:

On the Met:

5052 I saw on the 29th July.
5142 I saw on the 2nd July.

On the Victoria Line, my most recent sightings of those not dated above, plus more recent dates for those that are dated above, are:

03: 29th July
06: 16th October
07: 29th July
10: 16th July
11: 29th July
20: 29th July
21: 20th August
22: 29th July
26: 29th July
28: 29th July
32: 16th July
35: 20th August
42: 29th July
43: 29th July
44: 16th July
45: 29th July
47: 29th July
49: 16th July
50: 29th July
54: 29th July
55: 2nd July
56: 29th July
58: 2nd July
65: 16th July
66: 16th July
67: 29th July
72: 16th July
78: 28th July
80: 16th July
82: 2nd July
84: 16th JUly
86: 16th July

In addition, of the scrapped ones:

01 was still in service on 10th July
19 was still in service on 16th July
 
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Many thanks to Peter Mugridge and astock5000 for the updates. I have been doing quite a few 'long distance' bashes on these veteran units recently (Brixton - Walthamstow, Aldgate/Baker Street - Amersham/Chesham etc). No doubt I'll be doing similar trips on C stock from next year before they get withdrawn.
 

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5068 was reported elsewhere as running to Upminster(!) last ecs for wheel lathe attention. Apparently it was the first A stock ever to that location and had to run slowly as it had to effectively act as the guaging run as well!

So... it's still an active unit.
 

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If it helps, I've had the following, working backwards towards and including 1st October.
(btw, when I say 3027 was being taken out, I don't mean for scrap, I just mean a *severe* wheel flat).

3050 In service 06/11/2010
3132 In service 02/11/2010
3104 In service 02/11/2010
3037 In service 01/11/2010
3175 In service 29/10/2010
3027 In service 29/10/2010 - (Was being removed from service due to wheel flats)
3078 In service 25/10/2010
3002 In service 25/10/2010
3182 In service 22/10/2010
3127 In service 21/10/2010
3032 In service 14/10/2010
3149 In service 14/10/2010
3056 In service 07/10/2010
3184 In service 07/10/2010
3069 In service 06/10/2010
3139 In service 06/10/2010
3076 In service 01/10/2010
3073 In service 01/10/2010
 

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Having compiled my observations for October I can confirm that at least 50 of the 1967 units were in service last month.
3002/3102
3004/3104
3005/3105
3006/3106
3007/3107
3011/3111
3014/3114
3022/3122
3023/3123
3024/3124
3026/3126
3027/3127
3028/3128
3029/3129
3032/3132
3033/3133
3034/3134
3037/3137
3039/3139
3040/3140
3041/3141
3042/3142
3044/3144
3047/3147
3050/3150
3054/3154
3055/3155
3056/3156
3058/3158
3059/3159
3060/3160
3061/3161
3065/3165
3067/3167
3069/3169
3070/3170
3071/3171
3072/3172
3073/3173
3074/3174
3075/3175
3076/3176
3078/3178
3079/3179
3080/3180
3081/3181
3082/3182
3084/3184
3085/3185
3086/3186
 

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I did a Paris day trip yesterday which meant using the Victoria Line across London to / from St Pancras so if it helps...

On Thursday ( 4th ) I had 70 + 06 for haulage and also observed 80 + 24.

Last night ( 5th ) I had 04 + 47 for haulage.
 

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Out of curiosity - the (EDIT: old) Vicky line trains are composed of 2 half-sets - there seems to be a second cab in the middle of the train, but the other half doesn't have a cab - what's going on there?

Also - how many trains (8 cars) does the Vicky line have? Those new ones are properly quick off the mark.
 

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The 1967 stock is formed of pairs of 4 car units which were built as double ended. A few years ago when the cabs were upgraded, some were left untreated and are always formed in the middle of the train - these are known as single ended units but do still have the second cab; it's just never used in service.

Some units had both cabs upgraded; these are known as double ended units. They can be identified by the livery - the cabs in the middle of the train are painted round in the same way as the outer cabs, whereas on the single ended units these middle of train cabs have plain paintwork round them.

The new 2009 stock is still formed of two four car units, but they are built with only one cab per 4 cars.
 

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Also - how many trains (8 cars) does the Vicky line have?
There were 43 trains of 1967 tube stock. They are being replaced with 47 trains of 2009 stock.
The 1967 stock is formed of pairs of 4 car units which were built as double ended. A few years ago when the cabs were upgraded, some were left untreated and are always formed in the middle of the train - these are known as single ended units but do still have the second cab; it's just never used in service.
That isn't exactly correct. That's what happened to the A stock when it was converted to OPO, but the 1967TS were always OPO.
There are two reasons why there are single ended units - some had their ATO equipment removed (due to a shortage of spares), and other inner driving motors are actually 1972 Mk1 tube stock, and were never fitted with ATO. At some point a decision was made to keep units 3058 - 3079 'double ended' for flexibility.
This is why the numbering is messy, instead of having the first 32 units 'A' end, then the next ones 'D' end, etc - like the 'A' stock is (sort of).
Some units had both cabs upgraded; these are known as double ended units. They can be identified by the livery - the cabs in the middle of the train are painted round in the same way as the outer cabs, whereas on the single ended units these middle of train cabs have plain paintwork round them.
The double ended units also have fittings for the inter car barriers on the cab ends (the single ended ones obviously don't need them on their outer ends).

Also, unit 3102 has been withdrawn.
 
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Spent some time on the Victoria Line this morning, from about 10.30 to 12.00, and of the 26 off peak diagrams that were running, 9 were formed of 2009 stock. I took the opportunity of noting all the 1967 stock that was running today - but remember this is off peak only and is therefore not exhaustive, but it will confirm that certain units are still in traffic for the purposes up updating the stock status list from earlier in the thread:

11 + 84
79 + 59
22 + 23
03 + 85
05 + 49
28 + 55
40 + 41
26 + 82
39 + 67
50 + 72
71 + 33
47 + 04
35 + 62
37 + 14
76 + 58
54 + 86
74 + 81

And the highest numbered 2009 pairing in traffic today was 11037 + 11038.

I was positioned between Victoria and Seven sisters, so I will not have missed any short trip workings from the list.


PS Astock5000 - Yes, I'd forgotten about the 1972 stock conversions!
 
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Spent some time on the Victoria Line this morning, from about 10.30 to 12.00, and of the 26 off peak diagrams that were running, 9 were formed of 2009 stock. I took the opportunity of noting all the 1967 stock that was running today - but remember this is off peak only and is therefore not exhaustive, but it will confirm that certain units are still in traffic for the purposes up updating the stock status list from earlier in the thread:

11 + 84
79 + 59
22 + 23
03 + 85
05 + 49
28 + 55
40 + 41
26 + 82
39 + 67
50 + 72
71 + 33
47 + 54
35 + 62
37 + 14
76 + 58
54 + 86
74 + 81

And the highest numbered 2009 pairing in traffic today was 11037 + 11038.

I was positioned between Victoria and Seven sisters, so I will not have missed any short trip workings from the list.


PS Astock5000 - Yes, I'd forgotten about the 1972 stock conversions!
I was also on the Victoria line yesterday (on 11033 Victoria - Warren Street, and 3139 Warren Street - Blackhorse Road).

Unit 3054 is on your list twice (shown as running with units 3047 and 3186).
 

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Oh round ones - I can't read my own handwriting! Thanks for spotting that.

Have corrected the list; the correction is 47 was with 04.
 

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At last. I still keep ending up with them on a daily basis though :(

Does anyone know which cars were the ones with the perch seats fitted, and whether they're still in service? Was it 3186?
 

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I saw the following in service, as of January 3rd 2011:

3067, 3028, 3061, 3060, 3050, 3184, 3078, 3075, 3111, 3072, 3005 and 3149

I'm aware that some of them are probably 'D' end units and I've given the 'A' end number, but if I'm honest I'd say that single-ended units are getting much rarer, and all the double-ended units appear to be surviving.
 
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