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Her is a superposition of the pics. The shape of the signalbox would much quite good.

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ah yes, tho field boundaries / hedges remain an issue that raise a question mark. Tho I do think the line of hills has a strong similarity.
Don't think they are hedges - has someone been digging out ditches perhaps?
Her is a superposition of the pics. The shape of the signalbox would much quite good.

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They do indeed match quite well (to correct your excellent English - I think your first language is Germanic?) - exceedingly well IMO.

I think I am now convinced by the location, not least because of all the ones I've tried and eliminated!
 

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There is a breakwater shown on old maps (1947 and earlier), running upstream and downstream (~500m SSW) from the west end of the Kent viaduct. This was built to protect the railway embankment, and presumably directs the river flow to the south side of the estuary.
See https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/5691171 & https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/54786

The natural channels can move over time, and can have sharp edges which can be in shadow.

This might explain the "boundaries", but there are rather a lot of them in a fairly regular pattern.
 

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Don't think they are hedges - has someone been digging out ditches perhaps?

They do indeed match quite well (to correct your excellent English - I think your first language is Germanic?) - exceedingly well IMO.

I think I am now convinced by the location, not least because of all the ones I've tried and eliminated!
.. yes, my first language is Swiss German. Foreign languages in which I can communicate at a decent level: English, French, Italian and Spanish.
 

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I'm inclined to think its Arnside, with the original height chimney and original roof on the 1897 box
The flat area looks like the Kent estuary mud flats, while parallel "ditches" or "hedges" look like an incoming tidal bore. The incoming wall of water can consist of several waves, each 3-4 feet high running at 20-25 mph. You have sunlight reflecting off the water in the photo.
Small possibility its the original 1862 box of which I can't find a photo
 

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I don’t think it is Arnside for a number of reasons: the lack of a crossover or double junction, there is no bracket signal, the length of the box, etc.
 

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I don’t think it is Arnside for a number of reasons: the lack of a crossover or double junction, there is no bracket signal, the length of the box, etc.
The view North from Arnside is also rather different, even assuming poor visibility, and you wouldn't get reflected sunlight looking North.
The suggestion of the bore is intriguing, though.
 

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It's not the Arnside bore. I've seen it and though you get 'standing waves', they don't look like the lines in the picture. From what has been revealed: I think that the quarry sidings development meant that good land drainage for the new sidings, and maybe the quarry too, led to channels being dug across the salt marsh, spoil being dumped to the side in customary fashion. These are the 'ridges' (hedges) visible in the photo. I know my local council has to do this periodically to allow blocked outfalls to discharge on to the beach, otherwise the coast road floods.
 

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I agree. The bore might be visible in the foreground, but not so clearly in the distance.
I also wondered whether an attempt was made to reclaim the marsh at Meathop, since the breakwater would direct the Kent flow to the south side, and a channel was dug to take the Winster straight across the marsh. Presumably, spoil would be available from the quarry.
https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/324581
 

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Dear all,
anybody an idea about this picture?
There is a freight train with a steam locomotive passing a signal box.
Anybody an idea about the steam locomotive, the railway company and the location?

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Just to take things off in a different direction, it looks a slightly unusual train for an 0-8-0 - a type I tend to associate with mineral traffic.

The first vehicle looks like a mail/parcels vehicle (possibly a 6-wheeler?) and the rest look rather like specialist vans (fruit, milk). The sort of train I'd expect to see a mixed traffic loco working rather than a specialist freight loco.

If it is the suggested L&Y type what diameter driving wheels did they have?
 

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Driving wheels 4 ft. 6 inches.
It was not unknown for the LNWR 0-8-0s to work similar trains, and they had 4ft. 5.5 inch driving wheels.
The first vehicle may be some kind of horse box, with separate compartments for horse & groom.
Many of the other vans carried anything unsuitable for open wagons, so could be fruit/veg., parcels, etc., etc.
LNWR & LYR merged in 1922, then becoming part of LMSR in 1923, but not all locos got to be renumbered before withdrawal.
And, when considering locations, remember that both LNWR & LYR had running powers over some lines belonging to other companies.
 

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I don't think that it's on the F.R. line as you can't see the typical F.R. wall at the side of the running line.
 

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I don't think that it's on the F.R. line as you can't see the typical F.R. wall at the side of the running line.
The photo of Meathop box linked in post #29 also has no wall on the estuary side.
 

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The photo of Meathop box linked in post #29 also has no wall on the estuary side.
Missed that photo!
Sorry the wall starts a bit later, but I have never in my 60+ years seen hedges in the estuary or the shape of the hills change so much.
Along with I don't think that the L & Y had running rights over the Furness.
It could be more like the Fylde or going over to Hull.

If someone could show the two photos side by side it could be a better help.
 

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Thanks - helpful to see like that. The hills behind the signal box help make me think these pics are not taken in the same place.
 

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Distant hills can appear quite differently under different lighting or weather conditions, but more distant objects are usually paler.
In the Meathop photo, Arnside village is visible on the right, ~2km away. The wooded hill beyond is ~4km away.
(I'm still undecided.)
 

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Missed that photo!
Sorry the wall starts a bit later, but I have never in my 60+ years seen hedges in the estuary
As I suggested earlier, has someone been ditching?
It could be more like the Fylde or going over to Hull.
I've tried and failed to find a location in West Lancs/Fylde, good luck! Not the Humber.
 

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I've been thinking about the loading gauge and it looks so wrong for a Furness Railway one, see below.
l3-class-0-6-2t-at-coniston - Copy.jpg
This is the typical shape of the F.R. ones.

As I suggested earlier, has someone been ditching?

I've tried and failed to find a location in West Lancs/Fylde, good luck! Not the Humber.
I don't think that's ditching as the marshes have natural gullies in them. That don't run in straight lines.
Also in the mystery photo the siding to the left of the running lines has a larger gap between them.
 
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