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[Andy Pacer]

Transport for Wales services now show allocations

Interestingly the class 67 sets are shown but without the loco number.

Realtime Trains - 1W96 1712 Cardiff Central to Holyhead

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[PHILIPE]

The allocations themselves must be updated in the systems as there is a pair of 153s shown working to Pwllheli. They had worked from Birmingham International and swapped out at Shrewsbury but the replacement had not been input so they stayed on it according to the system.

 

[JonathanH]

The allocations themselves must be updated in the systems as there is a pair of 153s shown working to Pwllheli. They had worked from Birmingham International and swapped out at Shrewsbury but the replacement had not been input so they stayed on it according to the system.

Updated since then though.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G74973/2021-08-03/detailed#allox_id=0
shows

• 153303 + 153926 + 158827 to Shrewsbury
• 158839 + 158841 to Machynlleth
• 158839 to Aberystwyth

 

[M60lad]

Dare I ask considering the problems their having at the moment when East Midlands Railway allocations will be added to the Real Time Trains website?

 

[JN114]

Dare I ask considering the problems their having at the moment when East Midlands Railway allocations will be added to the Real Time Trains website?

How long is a piece of string?

 

[Strat-tastic]

The maximum distance between its two ends

 

[krus_aragon]

Interestingly the class 67 sets are shown but without the loco number.

Realtime Trains - 1W96 1712 Cardiff Central to Holyhead

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That may have been prescient, as it seems to have been substituted for 175s today.

 

[PHILIPE]

That may have been prescient, as it seems to have been substituted for 175s today.

It's been erratic all week primarily due shortage of drivers with the relevant traction knowledge or no driver at all

 

[Andy Pacer]

That may have been prescient, as it seems to have been substituted for 175s today.

Yes fair point, although the presence of the image of the 67 + MKIV would imply it is getting that info from somewhere, although the one in question did end up being a 175.

 

[Tom]

The locomotive number is not available for the TfW hauled services as it is not consisted in the sets (and nor are they allocated separately like on TPE) - but the sets themselves are allocated. The loco image is a just a standard generic one and won't discriminate between them..

 

[Peter0124]

I never realised Scotrail ran 1 car trains to Oban, I thought they were meant to be coupled to 156s? Unless this is a glitch.

Realtime Trains - 1Y29 1636 Glasgow Queen Street to Oban

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[berneyarms]

It’s a glitch

 

[Aictos]

How long is a piece of string?

Or to be more precise, it depends on when they approach RealTrainTimes and if they volunteer to shae the data.

If the feeds work off TRUST/Gemini then it shouldn't be too difficult to allow a public website to use the data especially with a number of operators all working with RTT eg ScotRail, LNER etc...

 

[XAM2175]

Is there a problem with CS and GBRf allocations at the moment? They appear to have been missing for several days.

 

[Andy Pacer]

The locomotive number is not available for the TfW hauled services as it is not consisted in the sets (and nor are they allocated separately like on TPE) - but the sets themselves are allocated. The loco image is a just a standard generic one and won't discriminate between them..

Thanks for the explanation.

 

[ValleyLines142]

A few of the TfW 150s are still in ATW livery. 150236 and 150278 spring to mind.

 

[sd0733]

A few of the TfW 150s are still in ATW livery. 150236 and 150278 spring to mind.

And 150260.is the other way round showing as in tfw when its still atw livery.

 

[CaldicotHalt]

I'm not sure if this has been asked earlier but I can't find it. The loco numbers for Locomotive Services and the number of carriages is not showing. Anyone know why this is happening?

 

[PHILIPE]

I'm not sure if this has been asked earlier but I can't find it. The loco numbers for Locomotive Services and the number of carriages is not showing. Anyone know why this is happening?

Perhaps they are not partaking in the scheme at this stage. Not every company is yet

 

[ainsworth74]

I was on an LSL railtour a few weeks ago (the one that came to grief at Cynghordy) and that had the relevant power cars showing.

 

[XAM2175]

Perhaps they are not partaking in the scheme at this stage. Not every company is yet

Yes, they are participants - or at least were in the past. I notice that not only are allocations not shown for today's Staycation Express services, they're actually obfuscated.

 

[172007]

I was on an LSL railtour a few weeks ago (the one that came to grief at Cynghordy) and that had the relevant power cars showing.

Yet Vintage Trains don't just not allow their traction not to be show but their headcode too.

 

[ainsworth74]

I notice that not only are allocations not shown for today's Staycation Express services, they're actually obfuscated.

Ah now yes that was something odd on the tour I mentioned above. Day before when I checked it no allocations showing (correctly) but the service wasn't obfuscated and showed corrected headcodes and what have you. On the day itself allocations showed correctly but the train was suddenly obfuscated! I was somewhat confused I have to say!

 

[D6130]

Loco allocation

Is there a problem with CS and GBRf allocations at the moment? They appear to have been missing for several days.

Just checked RTT for trains passing through Hebden Bridge today and the loco allocation for 6E09 - the morning Liverpool-Drax biomass - is shown
(60 021), but nothing for those services which have not yet started their journies. May be something to do with altered schedules caused by the Miles Platting engineering works....or maybe not.

 

[Tony2]

Ah now yes that was something odd on the tour I mentioned above. Day before when I checked it no allocations showing (correctly) but the service wasn't obfuscated and showed corrected headcodes and what have you. On the day itself allocations showed correctly but the train was suddenly obfuscated! I was somewhat confused I have to say!

I’ve seen this often on RTT, correct headcode will sometimes show before the train runs, when it starts the code is scrambled. Same thing happens on Traksy. Have a look at a yard where engineering trains are due to leave. They show side by side with correct headcodes, then one will start running and the code will then scramble. Happens also when a light engine positions on the end of an engineers train.

 

[takno]

I’ve seen this often on RTT, correct headcode will sometimes show before the train runs, when it starts the code is scrambled. Same thing happens on Traksy. Have a look at a yard where engineering trains are due to leave. They show side by side with correct headcodes, then one will start running and the code will then scramble. Happens also when a light engine positions on the end of an engineers train.

I've never noticed that before myself. We don't get very clever about what we show though, so if that's what's appearing on the maps, then that's what's in the feed, and ultimately that's what's fallen out of the scrambler.

 

[D6975]

RTT isn't 100% accurate. On a recent trip to the North West I saw several services that weren't worked by what was indicated on RTT. From 60s on freight to 195s on passenger, wrong info given.

ps GIGO I suspect

 

[43096]

RTT isn't 100% accurate. On a recent trip to the North West I saw several services that weren't worked by what was indicated on RTT. From 60s on freight to 195s on passenger, wrong info given.

It's not RTT that isn't accurate, it's the data feed that goes into it. It's an important distinction.

 

[PHILIPE]

RTT isn't 100% accurate. On a recent trip to the North West I saw several services that weren't worked by what was indicated on RTT. From 60s on freight to 195s on passenger, wrong info given.

Sometimes when there is late change of units for some reason TOCs are slow to update the allocations. Also sometimes the replacement will be input without deleting the original

 

[pdeaves]

RTT isn't 100% accurate. On a recent trip to the North West I saw several services that weren't worked by what was indicated on RTT. From 60s on freight to 195s on passenger, wrong info given.

ps GIGO I suspect

Assuming GIGO = garbage in, garbage out then yes. RTT only presents what's in official feeds.