Reigate stabling sidings

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  1. JonathanH

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    That's not really in question. However blocking the level crossing in the modern era every half hour for 8-car trains to reverse in addition to GWR trains running would not go down very well with anyone.
     
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    Do reigate trains need an obs
    Is redhill part of the bml agreement?
     
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    now i know it might be daft but by reversing the layout towards croydon road bridge and moving main station area towards redhill a bit with say a up platform starting at the now entrance going 12 coach lengths in a redhill direction with the down platform matching and a further platform 3 a few coach lengths towards redhill on the old down side shunt neck goods shed side [now homebase side ] and again 12 coach capacity
    with a further 1 or 2 sidings on the down side 8 or 12 in length with all point work towards the croydon road and perhaps a new or even main entrance and car park up that end
    and with a facing crossover from down reading at the croydon road end to the up platform limit off shunt would give 12coach capacity with no road crossing down time
     
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    That is effectively the plan, without the sidings. It isn't funded. I wouldn't have thought that they will do anything with the current up platform.

    You have to move the trailing crossover to somewhere near the bridge over Croydon Road and put in two long platforms where the car park and sidings are.

    Yes, Reigate trains run with an OBS. Prior to the most recent DOO changes, off-peak trains from London to Reigate (and Tonbridge) ran with a guard on board south of East Croydon or Purley depending on stopping pattern.

    Redhill was fine for DOO under the bml agreement although in practice, as almost all of the services replaced former slam door operations almost all trains ran with a guard until the most recent changes.

    If the new platform was to happen and Thameslink ran from Bedford to Reigate instead of Gatwick, there would need to be proper DOO at Reigate to fit in with Thameslink's method of operation.
     
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    Network Rail have launched their consultation on the third platform at Reigate (or at least the council has sent out information to local businesses in advance of it launching).

    Titled "Connecting Reigate to Thameslink" the obvious corollary is delinking Reigate from Clapham Junction and Victoria.

    Consultation meetings are in the week beginning Monday 24 February.

    Interestingly, the sketch plan appears to include a siding off the line into the extra platform.
     

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    May have been mentioned already, but the extended down platform will enable trains to stop well short of the LC, which should improve things for motorists.
     
  7. JonathanH

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    It will be interesting to see where they actually do stop given the location of the ticket gates / entrance on platform 2 but yes, I agree that it could be some way back towards Redhill.
     
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    Not necessarily de-linking Clapham and Victoria, perhaps becoming peak only which is a reversal of current practice but would also enable a longer all stopping service to Horsham from Victoria all day - the route needs 8 coaches which Reigate cannot handle. It was always the wish that Reigate had London Bridge services as more of the usage in 2017/8 was to London Bridge (65/35 against Victoria), although that % might have changed with the service changes in May 2018. It was assumed the Bedford service would divert to Reigate, as the other Bedford service is overtakes the slow service to Gatwick so no diminution of service from Bedford to Gatwick.
     
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    does rather block up the slow line through Redhill for faster trains although the cessation of splitting at Redhill will be a useful by-product of the new platform. Longer Victoria trains off-peak is in line with what most people want of course as well.

    Does the fact that Network Rail are going out to consultation mean there is some movement on funding for this platform at Reigate? Any idea of timeframe?
     
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    171m is long enough to start an 8 car train from platform 1 it’s just it must arrive ECS and shunt, there’s no issue for example shunting an 8-377 from the siding to the Up platform via the down platform other than additional downtime for the level crossing barriers. All that would ideally be needed is a stop board to stop the driving going too far and off the juice.
     
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    Yes, but two reversals would take far too long to be practical with one driver, an eight coach train and level crossing downtime, especially with the GWR service running as well.
     
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    It’s a pity we aren’t allowed to still do propelling moves with the driver always driving but the guard dealing with the brake in the other end cab as used to happen in Oxted Bay etc...
     
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    It could still happen at Oxted Bay - virtually the only place in the south where it can happen - the staff are still trained to do it, but there are no booked formations requiring it, and it seems the special instructions for Oxted Signal Box don't explicitly mention it.
     
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    Hopefully so. Used to work in the area and in the morning traffic was often backed all the way up to the M25 and beyond (although that is also due to 2 lanes going down to one on the hill).
     
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    Interesting, wonder if this means a end to the Southern services from London Victoria that split at Redhill with Gatwick and Reigate portions to instead divert the services to Reigate as a 8/12 car so no splits at Redhill.

    Gatwick has plenty of services so would they really miss the SN service above?
     
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    Those additional Redhill - Gatwick services are more for Earlswood, Salfords and Horley commuters than another Gatwick service. It just happens that Gatwick is the next one down the line to terminate.
     
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    This means that Merstham, Cousldon South, Reigate and other stations miss out on trains to London victoria?
     
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    Interesting, so would those commuters get worse off?

    Equally what TL services could use Reigate and where to?
     
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    If the train doesn't divide, yes. One could possibly divert the Bedford - Gatwick Airport TL services to Reigate instead, but (again), what would you do with the Earlswood, Salfords and Horley stops?
     
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    Is not the Reigate service a hourly one at the moment?

    Could not the Bedford to Gatwick on a hourly basis be diverted to Reigate with another service picking up the calls at Earlswood, Salford and Horley?
     
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    No. It is 2tph. It only divides during the peak.
     
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    Ahh I’m not a user so didn’t know, any likelihood of TL taking the route over?
     
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    I don't think there will be a significant change in the timetable due to this work.

    (I don't work in the railways; I'm making estimates.)
     
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    The initial plan before consultation is that the Bedford to Gatwick service becomes Bedford to Reigate. Thus Reigate gets half hourly service to London Bridge and the Core.

    The current short half hourly Victoria to Reigate Service can then be diverted to Earlswood, Salfords, and on to Three Bridges or Horsham. The Peak Peterborough to Horsham services will call at Earlswood and Salfords to provide LBG and Core service during the peaks.

    Reigate Station historically had more London Bridge services and there was a lot of unhappy customers when it was switched to Victoria, GTR showed this was borne out with passenger ticket numbers too being 65/35 in favour of LBG over VIC at the May 18 timetable consultation.
     
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    Maybe off-topic,but is the third rail ever used in the redhill bound platform?
     
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    Yes, when it is necessary to clear platform 2 and the siding is unavailable, it is possible to undertake a double shunt to platform 1 using the crossover.

    Happens every so often - not regularly.
     
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    This is an unfunded project according to NR article but is it hiding under the Brighton Main Line NREP scheme which is at decision to develop hence this proposal. Although not sure it really helps BML as the Slow lines between Redhill and Gatwick are hardly at capacity.
    Switching the BED-GAT TL service to Reigate will save at least one diagram as the layover is 28mins currently. The existing TL Horsham - PBO service could add in Earlswood/Salfords and omit Merstham/Coulsdon Sth as they would be on the Reigate service. Redhill would also be better served by one of the Southern coast services diverted off the quarries. Thus even with two tph RDG-GAT from May 20 (allegedly) the Slows would be only 8TPH
     

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