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JonathanH

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Does anyone the remaining class 315 diagrams please and and when do they finally end?
They work weekday peak services between London Liverpool Street and Shenfield.

The units working evening peak departures from Liverpool Street for the six diagrams are reported elsewhere to first visit the station on the following services:
1646
1656
1716
1730
1752
1808

You should be able to work out the rest by tracing the other times in the cycles using open data sites. All of these workings appear to arrive at Liverpool Street empty.

For withdrawal information there is an existing thread https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/class-315-withdrawals.153008/ but it is suggested they will be fully displaced by 345s between May and September.
 
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They work weekday peak services between London Liverpool Street and Shenfield.

The units working evening peak departures from Liverpool Street for the six diagrams are reported elsewhere to first visit the station on the following services:
1646
1656
1716
1730
1752
1808

You should be able to work out the rest by tracing the other times in the cycles using open data sites. All of these workings appear to arrive at Liverpool Street empty.

For withdrawal information there is an existing thread https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/class-315-withdrawals.153008/ but it is suggested they will be fully displaced by 345s between May and September.
Much appreciated. Many thanks.
So get them in before may. Or asap.
Because after may they might well get phased out asap. Before September etc.
Or just turn up only as required.
Thanks for the information
 

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For clarity (well it probably isn't actually - but time!) ECS moves not included
2W15 0541 SHENFIELD – LIVERPOOL STREET
2C49 0727 GIDEA PARK – LIVERPOOL STREET
2C48 0807 LIVERPOOL STREET – GIDEA PARK
2C87 0849 GIDEA PARK – LIVERPOOL STREET
2W98 1656 LIVERPOOL STREET – SHENFIELD
2W49 1744 SHENFIELD – LIVERPOOL STREET
2C46 1833 LIVERPOOL STREET – GIDEA PARK


2C33 0649 GIDEA PARK – LIVERPOOL STREET
2C32 0727 LIVERPOOL STREET – GIDEA PARK
2C71 0812 GIDEA PARK – LIVERPOOL STREET
2W08 1716 LIVERPOOL STREET – SHENFIELD
2W57 1807 SHENFIELD – LIVERPOOL STREET
2C54 1853 LIVERPOOL STREET – GIDEA PARK


2C09 0526 GIDEA PARK – LIVERPOOL STREET
2W10 0614 LIVERPOOL STREET – SHENFIELD
2W47 0710 SHENFIELD – LIVERPOOL STREET
2W46 0800 LIVERPOOL STREET – SHENFIELD
2W93 0852 SHENFIELD – LIVERPOOL STREET
2C26 1752 LIVERPOOL STREET – GIDEA PARK
2C63 1832 GIDEA PARK – LIVERPOOL STREET
2W60 1912 LIVERPOOL STREET – SHENFIELD
2W91 2003 SHENFIELD – LIVERPOOL STREET
2W88 2057 LIVERPOOL STREET - SHENFIELD


2W02 0524 LIVERPOOL STREET – SHENFIELD
2W25 0617 SHENFIELD – LIVERPOOL STREET
2C24 0707 LIVERPOOL STREET -GIDEA PARK
2C63 0758 GIDEA PARK – LIVERPOOL STREET
2C60 0836 LIVERPOOL STREET – GIDEA PARK
2C01 0919 GIDEA PARK – LIVERPOOL STREET
2W94 1646 LIVERPOOL STREET – SHENFIELD
2W45 1734 SHENFIELD – LIVERPOOL STREET
2C42 1824 LIVERPOOL STREET – GIDEA PARK


2C34 1808 LIVERPOOL STREET-GIDEA PARK


2C37 0659 GIDEA PARK-LIVERPOOL STREET
2C36 0737 LIVERPOOL STREET-GIDEA PARK
2C75 0819 GIDEA PARK-LIVERPOOL STREET
2C14 1730 LIVERPOOL STREET-GIDEA PARK
2C55 1812 GIDEA PARK-LIVERPOOL STREET
2W52 1848 LIVERPOOL STREET-SHENFIELD
2W85 1941 SHENFIELD-LIVERPOOL STREET
2W82 2034 LIVERPOOL STREET-SHENFIELD
2W15 2126 SHENFIELD-LIVERPOOL STREET
2W12 2224 LIVERPOOL STREET-SHENFIELD
 

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Long shot I suspect but are there any 315 diagrams on Saturdays now? - and specifically are there any likely to be out tomorrow Saturday 21 August?
Thanks in advance for any info.
 

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Long shot I suspect but are there any 315 diagrams on Saturdays now? - and specifically are there any likely to be out tomorrow Saturday 21 August?
Thanks in advance for any info.
Bizarrely there is a Saturday diagram but it only runs early morning and late evening. It stables at Shenfield during the day.

0603 SNF-LST 0645
0657 LST-SNF 0740
0748 SNF-LST 0831
0842 LST-SNF 0923

2033 SNF-LST 2115
2127 LST-SNF 2209
2216 SNF-LST 2258
2314 LST-SNF 2355
 

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Bizarrely there is a Saturday diagram but it only runs early morning and late evening. It stables at Shenfield during the day.

0603 SNF-LST 0645
0657 LST-SNF 0740
0748 SNF-LST 0831
0842 LST-SNF 0923

2033 SNF-LST 2115
2127 LST-SNF 2209
2216 SNF-LST 2258
2314 LST-SNF 2355

Its not so bizarre. All three units that stable at Shenfield CS are used in traffic on a Saturday. As one of them is a 315 (from Friday night) it gets a run out until the drivers diagrams allow it to be swapped out for a 345. Then the reverse happens Saturday evening to swap the 345 back to a 315. It keeps the units balanced for Monday to Friday without incurring additional drivers diagrams on Saturday.
 

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Its not so bizarre. All three units that stable at Shenfield CS are used in traffic on a Saturday. As one of them is a 315 (from Friday night) it gets a run out until the drivers diagrams allow it to be swapped out for a 345. Then the reverse happens Saturday evening to swap the 345 back to a 315. It keeps the units balanced for Monday to Friday without incurring additional drivers diagrams on Saturday.
At the risk of asking a silly question, why not run the 315s all day? Would they end up in the wrong place?
 

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At the risk of asking a silly question, why not run the 315s all day? Would they end up in the wrong place?
Not a silly question, but 315s are operating on a minimum mileage basis to preserve their longevity. TfL also want their 345s used as much as possible. They help punctuality if you get a minor delay, and TfL are very keen on their right time punctuality figures.

And yes having just traced the diagram throughout the day it wouldn’t end up back in Shenfield CS.
 
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Bizarrely there is a Saturday diagram but it only runs early morning and late evening. It stables at Shenfield during the day.

0603 SNF-LST 0645
0657 LST-SNF 0740
0748 SNF-LST 0831
0842 LST-SNF 0923

2033 SNF-LST 2115
2127 LST-SNF 2209
2216 SNF-LST 2258
2314 LST-SNF 2355
Many thanks - good to know they are still out. Sadly my arrival and departure times in London will not make it possible to take a run on them tomorrow, but many thanks for taking the time to reply @Bikeman78
 
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Just as an update to the above. I was in the area for the whole of last Friday(27th) evening peak. Only departures from Liv St. were at 17.35, 18.10 and 18.15. Much reduced from what I expected. I fear the end is approaching
 

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Just as an update to the above. I was in the area for the whole of last Friday(27th) evening peak. Only departures from Liv St. were at 17.35, 18.10 and 18.15. Much reduced from what I expected. I fear the end is approaching
Yes, they have been down to three 8 car diagrams on weekdays since a week after the May timetable change. Sometimes it is as few as two diagrams but there are still 14 active 315s.

I very much doubt they will last beyond December when they will reach 41 years in traffic. However, considering the first withdrawals were back in 2018, they've enjoyed a long goodbye.
 

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Yes, they have been down to three 8 car diagrams on weekdays since a week after the May timetable change. Sometimes it is as few as two diagrams but there are still 14 active 315s.

I very much doubt they will last beyond December when they will reach 41 years in traffic. However, considering the first withdrawals were back in 2018, they've enjoyed a long goodbye.
Would there be much chance of them lasting until the end of October? And would they be on similar diagrams to now or be reduced further
 

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Would there be much chance of them lasting until the end of October? And would they be on similar diagrams to now or be reduced further
Yes, I think that's a cert they'll be around but I'm unsure on diagrams. From the Crossrail update from 27th August:

Following the introduction of nine-car full-length Class 345 trains on the Liverpool Street to Shenfield route in May, six are now in operation alongside seven-car Reduced Length Units (RLU) and Class 315 ‘legacy’ trains. Replacement of the remaining RLUs and the Class 315 trains will commence in November.
Replacement 'commences' in November, suggesting the 315s will see final withdrawal by the December 2021 timetable change.
 

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Yes, I think that's a cert they'll be around but I'm unsure on diagrams. From the Crossrail update from 27th August:


Replacement 'commences' in November, suggesting the 315s will see final withdrawal by the December 2021 timetable change.
Are there any more blocks planned for the Crossrail tunnel? This makes it difficult for the nine cars to get to Old Oak and they are too long for Ilford. This means more use of class 315s as seen in the early weeks of the May timetable.
 

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Are there any more blocks planned for the Crossrail tunnel? This makes it difficult for the nine cars to get to Old Oak and they are too long for Ilford. This means more use of class 315s as seen in the early weeks of the May timetable.
We were told there is a block from 10th October for a couple of weeks, but that all seems to have gone quiet. I believe MTR came up with some sort of solution to get the 9 cars to OOC which allows the 9 cars to stay in service on the East. (Drag around to OOC?)
 

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We were told there is a block from 10th October for a couple of weeks, but that all seems to have gone quiet. I believe MTR came up with some sort of solution to get the 9 cars to OOC which allows the 9 cars to stay in service on the East. (Drag around to OOC?)
I suppose it comes down to what is the cheapest solution. I think the 315s are on lease until December. They are perfectly up to the job. They are the most immaculate 40 year old trains I've seen. Very clean, few squeaks or rattles and still more reliable than their replacements. They are a credit to the people that maintain them.
 

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I'll echo that, I had a go on two pairs yesterday and they're being well looked after. It is still weird for me not seeing 315s on all the stoppers, and boy aren't 345s boring in comparison to the 315s?
 

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Yes, outwardly at least, the 315s seem to be bowing out with plenty left in the tank. Immaculately presented, very reliable and sprightly. They are far, far better cared for these days than Southern's 313s or Merseyrail's 507/8s.
 

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Yes, outwardly at least, the 315s seem to be bowing out with plenty left in the tank. Immaculately presented, very reliable and sprightly. They are far, far better cared for these days than Southern's 313s or Merseyrail's 507/8s.
To be fair the remaining PEP based units are all quite presentable. The Moorgate 313s were battered although they were still mechanically in good nick. They routinely covered 41 diagrams from 44 units for years. In fact I think it was 41 from 43 for several weeks because 313026 was stood down before the 717s started.
 
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I rode 315837+856 as well as 315847+857 last Wednesday, wow they're in decent condition and a huge credit to TfL.

I made it my official farewell to them, with a short video here:

 

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