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Remaining GWR HST Diagrams

Discussion in 'Allocations, Diagrams & Timetables' started by cactustwirly, 15 May 2018.

  1. Mainline421

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    Hi, the HST GTIs don't have 1st class unfortunately and won't be running anywhere near London. No one can know the diagrams post 22nd March yet but it seems likely there will be a small number left covering Paddington to Plymouth, this will probably be vastly reduced compared to current diagrams though. Only thing that can be said for certain is that they won't be on any diagrams that start or finish in London anymore, so evening departures from Plymouth will be IET and there won't be any leaving London till mid morning at the earliest. As for classic traction, Scotland and getting value out of the rover I'd recommend doing the Fort William or Inverness portions of the Caledonian Sleeper before they're replaced, but I'm getting off topic.
     
  2. w1bbl3

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    As the post 22nd diagrams aren't published yet it hard to know what will remain HST and weekends are not really the best time to experience 1st class on GWR due to the reduced on board service, e.g. the obvious and wonderful to experience Pullman service doesn't run on sat/sun. However based on current diagrams and assuming your route needs to start at Sandhurst.

    Sat 23rd, 8:31am Sandhurst > Reading > Paddington. This will put you on a turbo to Reading then a IET to Paddington.
    Sat 23rd, 10:03am Paddington > Plymouth. Currently the first HST service to Plymouth having come up from Plymouth.

    Sun 24th, 16:10 Plymouth > Paddington. Currently a HST that comes from the depot to form the service and goes to London via Bristol so you'd get to see a different route to the outbound.
    Sun 24th 20:33, Paddington > Reading > Sandhurst. Will be IET to reading then turbo to Sandhurst.
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    Sun 24th, 16:10, Plymouth > Reading (arrive 19:36)
    Sun 24th 20:18, Reading > Sandhurst (quite a long wait TBH)

    In terms of Scotland and HST travel getting one of the services to Aberdeen from Kings Cross will guarantee a HST however the departure times from Kings Cross mean you'll be travelling in Scotland after dark.
    ScotRail do not operate all that many services with 1st class so you'll need think carefully about which services you go for to I assume maximise travel mileage per day, this may for example mean you need to work on basis that experiencing the scotrail HST's is impractical.

    If your ticket is valid on scotrail sleepers than using one to return to London would be economic use of the ticket allowing you to explore scotland in the day time then return without needing to use up another day for the return. A normal offpeak ticket Euston to Sandhurst would be more economical than using a further day on your pass, unless you plan to explore from London further that day.
     
  3. SWTrainspottin

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    Thank you all for the recent diagrams. On the way to Worcester today down the Cotswolds on a HST both ways.
     
  4. jyte

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    Guess it's my first ride on an 802 today then...

    That being said, my ride down was supposed to be an 802, but got changed for an HST at the last minute - no seat reservations as a result!
     
  5. Pete_uk

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    Is 1G11 this week a HST?

    Thanks
     
  6. FGW_DID

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    Yes, OC54 set was on it today.
     
  7. RE460Swiss

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    Thanks Mainline421, I have started a thread over in trip plans, would you know when they are being replaced? They are currently saying some time in 2019... Is there anything I should look out for on the sleeper? Am thinking of Inverness.

    Thanks Wibble, I think the rules for interail have changed this year to allow travel before the sleeper but not after. Interail say: When travelling on a night train, you only need to use a single travel day: your day of departure. Even though most night trains leave on one calendar day and arrive on the next, you're never required to use two travel days.
    But I will consider your suggestion of just buying a single ticket to save the day.

    I think you are right that I am going to conclude that the HST GTI Scotland tour is going to be impractable. But I'm sure I can maximise my mileage just on HSTs...
     
  8. Marlo36

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    Does anyone know if the 1C78 11.03 PAD to NTA on the 21/02 is a HST or IET. The route is PAD, RDG, C/Cary, Honiton, EXD & NTA.My confirmation says its an HST.Is this correct ? It is an 8 Coach set.
     
  9. FGW_DID

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    As per posts #458 & #474, the 11.03 off Paddington is part of an HST diagram.
     
  10. fgwrich

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    I'm heading down to Penzance this weekend - Could anybody please tell me which diagrams are booked for HSTs on Saturday the 12th please? Thank you!
     
  11. SWTrainspottin

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    Saturday HST services for Penzance...

    1A78 0650 Penzance – London Paddington
    1A80 0759 Penzance – London Paddington
    1A83 1000 Penzance – London Paddington
    1A85 1058 Penzance – London Paddington
    1A94 1552 Penzance – London Paddington

    1C77 1003 London Paddington – Penzance
    1C84 1303 London Paddington – Penzance
    1C89 1703 London Paddington - Penzance
    1C92 1803 London Paddington – Penzance

    Refer to this next time: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/frequently-requested-diagrams.170615/#post-3666639

     
  12. Adsy125

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    Are the Saturday diagrams all the same for 26/1?
     
  13. Melancholia

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    Yes, however as it says in the Frequently Diagrams Thread:

     
  14. Adsy125

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    Hence why I was asking, to see if anyone knows if the STP diagrams are the same.
     
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    STP for that week not been issued yet.
     
  16. Adsy125

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    Ok, thanks looking at advances so it must be quite certain.
     
  17. SWTrainspottin

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    Based off the current diagrams, here are the booked HST departures/arrivals at London Paddington. Monday to Friday.

    0717 from Bristol Temple Meads 1A02
    0725 from Worcester Shrub Hill 1P04
    0736 to Cheltenham Spa 1G11
    0808 from Frome 1A70
    0821 to Hereford 1W00
    0835 to Reading Traincare Depot 5A70 ECS
    0837 from Plymouth 1A71
    0900 from Plymouth 1A72
    0903 to Plymouth 1C74
    0912 from Weston-super-Mare 1A07
    0950 to Oxford 1D20
    1000 to Bristol Temple Meads 1C09
    1001 from Penzance 1A75
    1103 to Plymouth 1C78

    1137 from Paignton 1A12
    1221 from Penzance 1A79
    1233 to Taunton 1C81
    1244 from Cheltenham Spa 1L50
    1259 from Oxford 1P26
    1303 to Plymouth 1C82
    1306 from Reading Traincare Depot 3B37 ECS
    1315 to Cardiff Central 1B37

    1315 from Penzance 1A81
    1322 to Worcester Foregate Street 1W27
    1336 to Cheltenham Spa 1G38
    1400 from Penzance 1A82
    1403 to Penzance 1C84
    1414 from Bristol Temple Meads 1A17
    1445 to Swansea 1B46

    1503 to Penzance 1C86
    1521 from Penzance 1A85
    1527 from Hereford 1P31
    1603 to Penzance 1C88
    1621 from Plymouth 1A87
    1703 to Penzance 1C90

    1733 to Paignton 1C91
    1754 from Taunton 1A89
    1800 from Worcester Foregate Street 1P37
    1803 from Cardiff Central 1L74
    1816 from Plymouth 1A91
    1822 to Hereford 1W03
    1830 to Weston-super-Mare 1C26
    1833 to Exeter St Davids 1C93
    1839 from Cheltenham Spa 1L80
    1903 to Plymouth 1C94
    1912 to Bristol Temple Meads 1U28
    2036 from Plymouth 1A96
    2103 to Plymouth 1C98

    2112 from Bristol Temple Meads 1A31
    2131 from Swansea 1L92
    2148 to Worcester Shrub Hill 1W42
    2215 to Bristol Temple Meads 1C33

    Diagram colours:
    Diagram IW1
    Diagram IW2
    Diagram IW3
    Diagram IW4
    Diagram IW5
    Diagram IW6
    Diagram IW7)
    Diagram IW8
    Diagram IW9
    Diagram IW10
    Diagram IW11
    Diagram IW12
    Diagram IW13

    I thought this would be useful to anyone that wishes to see one at Pad.
     
    Last edited: 11 Jan 2019 at 07:55
  18. Marlo36

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    I have also booked a seat reservation on the 1C78 11.03 in coach k, but its booked as an HST.Date travelling is the 21st Feb
     
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    I hope so as I'm planning to do a HST spin myself.
     
  20. fgwrich

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    Thank You!

    I'll aim for one of them then.

    Im not sure if it's now switched to IET operation, but the 18:03 Padd To Penzance was HST operated this week until last night (Wednesday) when I arrived to pair of 802s. And duly waited for the 18:33 to Exeter!
     
  21. Marlo36

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    Could this also happen to the 1C78 11.03 PAD to PYM from a HST to IET travel date 21/02
     
  22. SWTrainspottin

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    That’s a booked IET now. It’s a 10 car as far as Plymouth, where it splits with the front 5 to Penzance.

    That should still be a HST as it now, though subject to change.
     
  23. nat67

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    Can anyone tell me the current HST sets that out and what's paired up at the moment please.
    Cheers.
     
  24. nickw1

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    This seems a very tight turnaround time (26 mins) for a service that's come all the way from Plymouth; I thought normal practice for long distance IC was to have at least 35-40 mins, often 45 mins+ turnaround? In this example, could the 0808 from Frome not form the 0903 to Plymouth?
     
  25. nat67

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    No, not always especially now as Old Oak has gone if that would make any difference as what ever set comes in then goes back out, usually on a west country.
     
  26. FGW_DID

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    The set from Frome’s next working departs 2 minutes before 1A71 arrives. There may not be a decent path to then get that set you have swapped out up to Reading TCD. Random swaps just to gain an extra 5 mins or so will not win you any friends with the maintenance planners!
     
  27. 43096

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    Current pairs active today are:
    002/185
    004/122
    009/161
    022/171
    023/024
    029/078
    053/088
    070/156
    079/180
    086/188
    092/194
    153/192
    187/188
    191/193

    There’s plenty of spares around on depots, though. 159/160 have been out recently until 159 failed yesterday (set now at SPM).
     
  28. oliverpckehoe

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    Any knowledge on which power cars will be operating the Castle set in the near future, and how many Castle sets are now in service?
     
  29. nat67

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    Cheers, I thought 43009 had been decommissioned just a couple of days ago. Just to clarify this is sets that have been out today.
     
  30. Train Boy

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    43009/161 were allocated to the 1C88 1603 Paddington to Penzance
     

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