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g4mby said:
According to today's DfT press release I think you can say 150001/002 and 150209 are definitely headed for FGW. 150001/2 for Reading/Basingstoke services and 150209 to be split to form further three car sets for use in the Bristol area is how I interpret points 3 and 4.

http://www.dft.gov.uk/news/press-releases/dft-press-20111122
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Certainly looks that way although "Two Class 150 carriages will be added to Bristol services allowing two Class 153s to be cascaded onto Truro to Falmouth and Exmouth to Torbay services." would also allow it to operate as two car train replacing a diagram currently diagrammed for 2x153.

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Roylang said:
Certainly looks that way although "Two Class 150 carriages will be added to Bristol services allowing two Class 153s to be cascaded onto Truro to Falmouth and Exmouth to Torbay services." would also allow it to operate as two car train replacing a diagram currently diagrammed for 2x153.

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It'd save time and money if the two carriages were inserted into other 150 units though, as there wouldn't be a need to fit a toilet into one of the two spare cars as there would be if they were to be formed up as a stand alone two carriage set.
 
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Roylang said:
Certainly looks that way although "Two Class 150 carriages will be added to Bristol services allowing two Class 153s to be cascaded onto Truro to Falmouth and Exmouth to Torbay services." would also allow it to operate as two car train replacing a diagram currently diagrammed for 2x153.Roy
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But without toilets, unless that is a modification that is planned. Posts I've seen elsewhere suggest that 150121 and 150127 could become 3-car.
 
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g4mby said:
But without toilets, unless that is a modification that is planned. Posts I've seen elsewhere suggest that 150121 and 150127 could become 3-car.
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Just read on wnxx that FGW have indicated that one of the 150209 cars will be joined to a 153 on the Falmouth branch. So perhaps 153398 and 153397 are on their way?

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Roylang said:
Just read on wnxx that FGW have indicated that one of the 150209 cars will be joined to a 153 on the Falmouth branch. So perhaps 153398 and 153397 are on their way?
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And a subsequent post suggests that eventually they'll be used on the Severn Beach line to strengthen 2 x 2-car units, i.e. 150121 and 150127 as I posted earlier.
 
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The Government's COI version of the DfT press release does explicitly show:

"Two Class 150 carriages will be added to Bristol services allowing two Class 153s to be cascaded onto Truro to Falmouth and Exmouth to Torbay services."

That seems to support the final arrangement is as posted by g4mby..
 
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swt_passenger said:
The Government's COI version of the DfT press release does explicitly show:

"Two Class 150 carriages will be added to Bristol services allowing two Class 153s to be cascaded onto Truro to Falmouth and Exmouth to Torbay services."

That seems to support the final arrangement is as posted by g4mby..
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Not necessarily, the DfT only ever talks about carriages. This does not mean that 150209 does not replace an existing 150/1 or 150/2 that is, in turn, sent to work Bristol services and in turn frees up 153s.

Not saying g4mby is wrong and it may well be that he is right, just that in reading these statements it is not always easy to predict the future.

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The eventual plan surrounding 150207 is that...

It will be re-split into two 150/2 Vehicles again, and these will be inserted into 150121 & 150127 for use in the Bristol area - This releasing the 2 x 153s...

But, this will take place after the ex LM 150s have been refreshed, So until then, they will be split and reformed into 153397 & 153398

As for 150001 & 002, Newtonmgr covered what i knew of on the London Midland Class 150 Farewell thread:

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124 left LM last night. 106 staying until 107 fixed (needs new engine) but should be off in next fortnight. 150001 & 125 staying until Jan apparently as 172222 & 331 will not be delivered until new year as awaiting parts!. Possibility of 001 staying until March to cover Hfd diagram whilst 105/7 & 9 are refreshed. Rumour LM want to keep it but unlikely to happen if FGW have them. If the scuds take over Rdg-Bas won't be until next May as crew training will need to take place which will take place using 002 probably in new year giving time for that to be turned into FGW colours with 001 being done in April maybe.
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So in other words, 150001 could be staying with LM for a few more months, whilst 002 will be refreshed, and crew training taking place (Apparently due imminently!)...Then, as soon as 001 is released, that will be refreshed and enter service with FGW... All before the May timetable next year, although i gather there could be a chance of 002 entering service before next May! :D
 
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150216 has been out and about in Cornwall today. Not sure when it arrived from LM.
 
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sprinterguy said:
Six units as 180 replacement (Which was originally what the seven 142s hired out to FGW were meant to be for when they moved back, but are now additional capacity) and nine units as additional capacity.
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Aren't 4 of the 150s as replacement for the 4 156s going to EMT?
 
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sprinterguy said:
Yeah, true. But I don't think the DfT ever admitted that bit of the deal.
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Sorry, but yes they did, it was all done in carriage by carriage detail - but IIRC it was back in March 2010 in the days of the previous government, when they announced more trains for the NW, and the Leeds and Sheffield areas. The actual DfT press release is proving difficult to track down, but it was the one that announced 16 carriages for the NW and 8 carriages for EMT...

(This was the deal that was explained in the FOI response of early 2011 -that is often quoted here in the forums.)

The basic problem is that the most recent DfT announcements (in early October) were only concerned with the remaining ex LM units - everything that had previously been organised, (but was yet to happen), didn't get repeated.

I found a couple of news articles that reflect this earlier announcement though:

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereve...9_extra_train_carriages_to_ease_over_crowding

http://www.sypte.co.uk/media.aspx?id=1202
 
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Thought I'd post about 150s remaining with LM for a change. :)
150001 on it's own today on the 06.45 Worcester - Dorridge. No 153s spare on Tyseley this morning either when I passed.
 
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GazzaB24 said:
Thought I'd post about 150s remaining with LM for a change. :)
150001 on it's own today on the 06.45 Worcester - Dorridge. No 153s spare on Tyseley this morning either when I passed.
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Absoloutely rammed it was as well this morning, can't wait for it to be replaced with a nice 172. Been waiting long enough now...
 
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fgwrich said:
It's been around for a fair few weeks - Was parked up in Plymouth last time i was down there about 3 weeks ago!

Locoscene has it down in St Phillips Marsh on 29/10/2011 - So it seems to have arrived sometime around then!

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Well if it arrived SPM around 29th October it would have only been in service for FGW for about 3 weeks so you may well have seen it in Plymouth on it's first visit there.
 
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83G/84D said:
Well if it arrived SPM around 29th October it would have only been in service for FGW for about 3 weeks so you may well have seen it in Plymouth on it's first visit there.
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True, was pretty tired when i posted last night...And subsiqently failed to realise that it was 150202 sat in Plymouth and not 219 - Doh! :oops:

But it would appear that it was around that week (oct 29th) when 150219 arrived into FGW's hands anyway :)
 
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fgwrich said:
True, was pretty tired when i posted last night...And subsiqently failed to realise that it was 150202 sat in Plymouth and not 219 - Doh! :oops:

But it would appear that it was around that week (oct 29th) when 150219 arrived into FGW's hands anyway :)
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I take it you mean 150216 not 150219 as the latter is not ex LM!
 
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150001 out on it's own again today on 06.45 Worcester - Dorridge etc
Also the 18.23 Dorridge - B'ham Snow Hill has been a 2-car 150 for the last 2 nights didn't see which ones though but either 105/106/109 or 125 I guess?
 
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GazzaB24 said:
150001 out on it's own again today on 06.45 Worcester - Dorridge etc
Also the 18.23 Dorridge - B'ham Snow Hill has been a 2-car 150 for the last 2 nights didn't see which ones though but either 105/106/109 or 125 I guess?
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Shown as 150105 on both days.
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Absoloutely rammed it was as well this morning, can't wait for it to be replaced with a nice 172. Been waiting long enough now...
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Perhaps someone reads this stuff as 150001 is paired up with 153356 today.
 
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83G/84D said:
Well looking at other recent postings in this thread 4 or 5 possibly? 150001 & 150105/6/9/25 have been mentioned although only 150001 seems to be out and about today.
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107 Should be too - As the units due to stay with LM are of course 105,107 & 109, but LM currently also has 001, 106 and 125 all due to leave LM in due course for FGW...Depending on how fast Bombardier gets the remaining 172s finnished!

So all in all, 6
 
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