Remaining LNER Class 91 services

[DanNCL]

Just surprised why we keep travelling on manual doors which Grand Central passed on after years of launching and northern have had electric for decades so why were the 91’s kept going so long.

The Mark 4s have got power doors. It's the HSTs that have got slam doors, and they'll be gone from LNER within the next 3 weeks

 

[CheerDanielita]

The Mark 4s have got power doors. It's the HSTs that have got slam doors, and they'll be gone from LNER within the next 3 weeks

good riddance, if you ride them in the winter it’s really cold during overcrowding if you are stuck near the door.

 

[DanNCL]

Another 91 is off to Stirling tonight, this time it's 91113 and it's because of disruption near York.

Edit: Service appears to have terminated at Edinburgh and not continued to Stirling.

 

[DarloRich]

How long do 91's stay with LNER after the HST have gone?

In particualr the 18:33 London Kings Cross – Bradford Forster Square on a Friday is my usual train. I hope that stay 91 hauled for a while yet

 

[DanNCL]

How long do 91's stay with LNER after the HST have gone?

Until either May or June I think

 

[Failed Unit]

Have heard April mentioned many times. The official line is when they are happy with the Azuma performance.

 

[DarloRich]

Until either May or June I think

Have heard April mentioned many times. The official line is when they are happy with the Azuma performance.

Yes I have heard the official line. That seems to be any time between April & June 2020

 

[Failed Unit]

Yes I have heard the official line. That seems to be any time between April & June 2020

at least as it is dependent on performance of a new train it is 2020

 

[DarloRich]

at least as it is dependent on performance of a new train it is 2020

in fairness i added 2020. No year was mentioned!

 

[swt_passenger]

Is there any update on the need to retain half a dozen sets for future timetable changes? A few months ago the rail magazines were running stories about another top up order for a few new trains, assumed to be 80x in most cases...

 

[Marton]

Have heard April mentioned many times. The official line is when they are happy with the Azuma performance.

I note it’s “they” not the passengers.

The passengers I know would keep MkIV.

 

[50039]

Can anyone tell me which 2 are currently parked up (withdrawn?) outside Doncaster Works - one looks like 91125, the other is in worse condition and seems to have the number missing (or hidden)

Thanks

 

[SWTrainspottin]

1E01 0540 Edinburgh - London Kings Cross will be a 225 set week commencing 16 December only (Monday to Friday)

 

[NoMorePacers]

Can anyone tell me which 2 are currently parked up (withdrawn?) outside Doncaster Works - one looks like 91125, the other is in worse condition and seems to have the number missing (or hidden)

Thanks

91103 and 91108. The latter has had its nose chopped off.

 

[DanNCL]

91103 and 91108. The latter has had its nose chopped off.

91103 is at Bounds Green not Doncaster. 91108 is indeed the one that's been heavilly stripped and is now numberless

 

[87electric]

Can anyone tell me which 2 are currently parked up (withdrawn?) outside Doncaster Works - one looks like 91125, the other is in worse condition and seems to have the number missing (or hidden)

Thanks

Yes you possibly have seen 91125 there. It went to Doncaster light engine on 5th December.

 

[50039]

Yes you possibly have seen 91125 there. It went to Doncaster light engine on 5th December.

Thanks - looked like 91125... much appreciated

 

[SWTrainspottin]

Here are the services in and out of Kings Cross as per the new timetable starting 16 December. All services in red will be services due to go over to Azuma at a certain date and I will try and keep this post updated with these dates throughout 2020. All information is from LNER's booking system.

Intercity 225 services from London Kings Cross – Weekdays from 16 December

1S04 0615 London Kings Cross - Edinburgh
1D01 0633 London Kings Cross - Leeds
1D02 0703 London Kings Cross - Leeds
1N80 0706 London Kings Cross – York (Azuma from 7 to 10 Jan only)
1S06 0730 London Kings Cross – Edinburgh
1S07 0800 London Kings Cross – Edinburgh
1D05 0803 London Kings Cross – Leeds
1S08 0830 London Kings Cross – Edinburgh
1S09 0900 London Kings Cross – Edinburgh
1S10 0930 London Kings Cross – Edinburgh
1S12 1030 London Kings Cross - Edinburgh
1D10 1033 London Kings Cross – Leeds
1S13 1100 London Kings Cross – Edinburgh
1D11 1103 London Kings Cross – Leeds (Azuma from 23 Dec)
1S15 1130 London Kings Cross - Edinburgh
1S17 1230 London Kings Cross - Edinburgh
1D14 1233 London Kings Cross - Leeds
1S18 1300 London Kings Cross – Edinburgh (Azuma from 6 Jan)
1D15 1303 London Kings Cross – Leeds
1N85 1306 London Kings Cross - York
1D17 1403 London Kings Cross - Leeds
1S21 1430 London Kings Cross – Edinburgh
1W22 1500 London Kings Cross – Stirling (Azuma from 6 Jan)
1S25 1630 London Kings Cross – Edinburgh
1S26 1700 London Kings Cross – Edinburgh (Azuma from 23 Dec)
1S27 1730 London Kings Cross – Edinburgh
1S28 1800 London Kings Cross – Edinburgh
1N29 1818 London Kings Cross – Newcastle
1S30 1830 London Kings Cross - Edinburgh
1D28 1833 London Kings Cross - Bradford Forster Square
1S31 1900 London Kings Cross – Edinburgh
1N32 1930 London Kings Cross - Newcastle
1D30 1933 London Kings Cross - Leeds
1D32 2033 London Kings Cross - Leeds
1N36 2300 London Kings Cross – York

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Intercity 225 services to London Kings Cross – Weekdays from 16 December

1Y00 0440 York – London Kings Cross
1Y03 0444 Newcastle – London Kings Cross
1A01 0505 Leeds – London Kings Cross
1Y05 0526 Newcastle – London Kings Cross
1E03 0526 Stirling – London Kings Cross
1E01 0540 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross (Back to Azuma from 23 Dec)
1E02 0548 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross
1Y14 0600 Berwick-upon-Tweed – London Kings Cross
1A13 0655 Skipton – London Kings Cross
1E04 0656 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross
1A09 0715 Leeds – London Kings Cross
1E05 0730 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross
1E08 0900 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross
1A19 0915 Leeds – London Kings Cross
1E09 0930 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross (Azuma from 6 Jan)
1A20 0945 Leeds – London Kings Cross
1Y82 1002 York – London Kings Cross (Azuma from 6 Jan)
1A25 1045 Leeds – London Kings Cross
1E16 1300 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross
1A31 1315 Leeds – London Kings Cross
1E17 1330 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross
1A33 1345 Leeds – London Kings Cross (Azuma from 23 Dec)
1E18 1400 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross
1E19 1430 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross
1E20 1500 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross
1A37 1515 Leeds – London Kings Cross
1E21 1530 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross
1A39 1545 Leeds – London Kings Cross
1E22 1600 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross
1Y88 1603 York – London Kings Cross
1E23 1630 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross
1A41 1645 Leeds – London Kings Cross
1E24 1700 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross
1E27 1830 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross (Azuma from 6 Jan)
1E29 1936 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross

 

[Failed Unit]

Thanks for posting that.

looks like the 225s are concentrated on Edinburgh. Interesting some are going back from Azuma’s

 

[4REP]

Is there anymore clas 90 operation on ECML or did they cease?

 

[55002]

No class 90s left sometime ago. That booking engine on LNER not entirely convinced that’s right, be interesting to see as doesn’t fit with diagrams/ECS moves etc..

 

[DarloRich]

lovely trip south on a 1315 Newcastle > Kings Cross yesterday pushed very well by 91115 "Blaydon Races". Lovely. Not that busy, table seat, nice cup of tea.

 

[Mag_seven]

1E03 0526 Stirling – London Kings Cross

I didn't realise that Class 91s were going to, albeit for a short time, serve Stirling?

 

[SWTrainspottin]

No class 90s left sometime ago. That booking engine on LNER not entirely convinced that’s right, be interesting to see as doesn’t fit with diagrams/ECS moves etc..

It may not be 100% accurate but it does give us a rough idea in advance. Diagrams/allocations for the day I am sure can be confirmed on the day in question.

I didn't realise that Class 91s were going to, albeit for a short time, serve Stirling?

They first started serving Stirling a few weeks ago. The down Stirling from Kings Cross will be a 225 for only a couple of weeks before going over to Azuma on 6 Jan. The up one as you quoted has no changeover date yet from what I have seen so will be a 225 for a little while.

 

[DanNCL]

Quite a few of the services that should have converted from HST to Azuma operation today have instead been covered by 91s, including 1W22 to Stirling. I believe those services will stay 91 worked for the rest of the week but I'm not 100% certain.

Here are the services in and out of Kings Cross as per the new timetable starting 16 December. All services in red will be services due to go over to Azuma at a certain date and I will try and keep this post updated with these dates throughout 2020. All information is from LNER's booking system.

Intercity 225 services from London Kings Cross – Weekdays from 16 December

1S04 0615 London Kings Cross - Edinburgh
1D01 0633 London Kings Cross - Leeds
1D02 0703 London Kings Cross - Leeds
1N80 0706 London Kings Cross – York (Azuma from 7 to 10 Jan only)
1S06 0730 London Kings Cross – Edinburgh
1S07 0800 London Kings Cross – Edinburgh
1D05 0803 London Kings Cross – Leeds
1S08 0830 London Kings Cross – Edinburgh
1S09 0900 London Kings Cross – Edinburgh
1S10 0930 London Kings Cross – Edinburgh
1S12 1030 London Kings Cross - Edinburgh
1D10 1033 London Kings Cross – Leeds
1S13 1100 London Kings Cross – Edinburgh
1D11 1103 London Kings Cross – Leeds (Azuma from 23 Dec)
1S15 1130 London Kings Cross - Edinburgh
1S17 1230 London Kings Cross - Edinburgh
1D14 1233 London Kings Cross - Leeds
1S18 1300 London Kings Cross – Edinburgh (Azuma from 6 Jan)
1D15 1303 London Kings Cross – Leeds
1N85 1306 London Kings Cross - York
1D17 1403 London Kings Cross - Leeds
1S21 1430 London Kings Cross – Edinburgh
1W22 1500 London Kings Cross – Stirling (Azuma from 6 Jan)
1S25 1630 London Kings Cross – Edinburgh
1S26 1700 London Kings Cross – Edinburgh (Azuma from 23 Dec)
1S27 1730 London Kings Cross – Edinburgh
1S28 1800 London Kings Cross – Edinburgh
1N29 1818 London Kings Cross – Newcastle
1S30 1830 London Kings Cross - Edinburgh
1D28 1833 London Kings Cross - Bradford Forster Square
1S31 1900 London Kings Cross – Edinburgh
1N32 1930 London Kings Cross - Newcastle
1D30 1933 London Kings Cross - Leeds
1D32 2033 London Kings Cross - Leeds
1N36 2300 London Kings Cross – York

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Intercity 225 services to London Kings Cross – Weekdays from 16 December

1Y00 0440 York – London Kings Cross
1Y03 0444 Newcastle – London Kings Cross
1A01 0505 Leeds – London Kings Cross
1Y05 0526 Newcastle – London Kings Cross
1E03 0526 Stirling – London Kings Cross
1E01 0540 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross (Back to Azuma from 23 Dec)
1E02 0548 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross
1Y14 0600 Berwick-upon-Tweed – London Kings Cross
1A13 0655 Skipton – London Kings Cross
1E04 0656 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross
1A09 0715 Leeds – London Kings Cross
1E05 0730 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross
1E08 0900 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross
1A19 0915 Leeds – London Kings Cross
1E09 0930 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross (Azuma from 6 Jan)
1A20 0945 Leeds – London Kings Cross
1Y82 1002 York – London Kings Cross (Azuma from 6 Jan)
1A25 1045 Leeds – London Kings Cross
1E16 1300 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross
1A31 1315 Leeds – London Kings Cross
1E17 1330 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross
1A33 1345 Leeds – London Kings Cross (Azuma from 23 Dec)
1E18 1400 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross
1E19 1430 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross
1E20 1500 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross
1A37 1515 Leeds – London Kings Cross
1E21 1530 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross
1A39 1545 Leeds – London Kings Cross
1E22 1600 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross
1Y88 1603 York – London Kings Cross
1E23 1630 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross
1A41 1645 Leeds – London Kings Cross
1E24 1700 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross
1E27 1830 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross (Azuma from 6 Jan)
1E29 1936 Edinburgh – London Kings Cross

1S03 08:53 Newcastle - Edinburgh and the fridays only 1E31 22:00 Edinburgh - Newcastle should also be 91 worked.

 

[4REP]

No class 90s left sometime ago. That booking engine on LNER not entirely convinced that’s right, be interesting to see as doesn’t fit with diagrams/ECS moves etc..

yes i know, about 4 weeks ago i booked Newcastle to York (0559 Azuma from Sunderland 10 car) now not advertised as an Azuma on the website but it still is as i checked the seat plans. Not all sevices are advertised as Azuma when you book but still are if you understand.

 

[DanNCL]

yes i know, about 4 weeks ago i booked Newcastle to York (0559 Azuma from Sunderland 10 car) now not advertised as an Azuma on the website but it still is as i checked the seat plans. Not all sevices are advertised as Azuma when you book but still are if you understand.

There's been a few problems with the booking engine recently. The Azuma logo has been showing next to some services that are 91s, and vice versa. In each case though if you click the info button for that service it'll tell you what's actually booked.

 

[superjohn]

0706 King’s Cross to York is unexpectedly 91116 and a short formed Mk4 set this morning (coach M missing).

A pleasant surprise, I’m sure it was an Azuma when I booked last week. Fingers crossed the 1603 return is still an HST today.

 

[50039]

I have an option of a 91 plus Mk4s or an Azuma next week, just a few mins apart. Return trip is a 91, so thinking it’s time I tried an Azuma.... got to be done at some point I guess!

 

[DarloRich]

I have an option of a 91 plus Mk4s or an Azuma next week, just a few mins apart. Return trip is a 91, so thinking it’s time I tried an Azuma.... got to be done at some point I guess!

go for the 91. You have 30 years to ride on an Azuma