Remaining LNER HST Services

[cactustwirly]

Right this is currently a list of all the LNER HST Diagrams
When the 800s get introduced, I'll update the list.

Thanks to the 125 group, for the original list of HST diagrams.

Spoiler: Weekdays

Leeds & extensions:

0605 LDS-KGX
0734 HGT-KGX
0715 LDS-KGX
1003 KGX-LDS
1203 KGX-LDS
1245 LDS-KGX
1445 LDS-KGX
2333 KGX-LDS - diverted via Knottingley

Newark/York/Hull/Lincoln (Semi-fast services)

0730 LCN-KGX
0906 KGX-YRK
1202 YRK-KGX
1206 KGX-NNG
1306 KGX-YRK
1354 NNG-KGX
1506 KGX-YRK
1603 YRK-KGX
1606 KGX-NNG
1754 NNG-KGX
1802 YRK-KGX
1906 KGX-LCN

Newcastle/Edinburgh & extensions

0540 SUN-KGX - 800 from 06/12?
0626 EDB-KGX
0708 LDS-ABD
0755 INV-KGX - 800 from 07/12
0930 EDB–KGX
0952 ADB-KGX
1000 KGX-ABD
1200 KGX-INV - 800 from 06/12
1452 ABD-KGX
1500 KGX-STG?
1600 KGX-ABD
1700 KGX-EDB - 800 from 07/12
1800 KGX-EDB
1818 ABD-LDS
2000 KGX-SUN - 800 from 06/12?
2200 KGX-NCL - diverted via Ferrybridge - 800 from 26/11

Spoiler: Saturdays

Leeds & Extensions

0605 LDS-KGX
0655 SKI-KGX
0735 HGT-KGX
1035 KGX-LDS
1203 KGX-LDS
1315 LDS-KGX
1435 KGX-LDS
1445 LDS-KGX
1535 KGX-LDS
1714 LDS-KGX
1814 LDS-KGX
1833 KGX-HGT
2003 KGX-LDS

Newark/York/Hull/Lincoln (Semi-fast services)

0730 LCN-KGX
0906 KGX-YRK
1006 KGX-NNG
1154 NNG-KGX
1203 YRK-KGX
1306 KGX-YRK
1406 KGX-NNG
1554 NNG-KGX
1602 YRK-KGX
1606 KGX-NNG
1754 NNG-KGX
1906 KGX-LCN

Newcastle/Scotland

0559 NCL-KGX
0620 NCL-EDB
0626 EDB-KGX
0708 LDS-ABD
0730 EDB-KGX
0755 INV-KGX - 800 from 06/12
0830 EDB-KGX
0930 EDB-KGX
0952 ABD-KGX
1000 KGX-ABD
1120 EDB-KGX,
1200 KGX-INV - 800 from 06/12
1452 ABD-KGX
1500 KGX-EDB
1530 KGX-EDB
1630 KGX-EDB
1730 KGX-EDB
1800 KGX-EDB
2100 KGX-NCL

Spoiler: Sundays

Leeds & Extensions

0843 LDS-KGX
1005 LDS-KGX
1105 LDS-KGX
1233 KGX-LDS
1845 LDS-KGX
1707 HGT-KGX
1803 KGX-HGT
2135 KGX-LDS
2235 KGX-LDS (Diverted via Knottingley)

Hull/Lincoln (no York/Newark diagrams on Sundays)

1722 KGX-HUL - Full LNER HST set (43/2)
1908 KGX–LCN

Newcastle/Edinburgh & Beyond

0754 NCL-KGX
0830 LDS-EDB
0910 EDB-ABD
0930 EDB-KGX
0940 INV-KGX - 800 from 06/12
0947 ABD-KGX
1000 KGX-ABD
1120 EDB-KGX
1130 EDB-KGX
1147 ABD-KGX
1200 KGX-INV - 800 from 06/12
1300 EDB-KGX
1347 ABD-KGX
1400 KGX-ABD
1500 KGX-EDB
1530 KGX-EDB
1700 KGX-EDB
1900 KGX-EDB
1930 KGX-NCL
2000 EDB-LDS
2200 KGX-NCL

Ad hoc substitutions can occur which may not be the booked traction, especially on Weekends where engineering works take place.

 

[cactustwirly]

I think that's all of the diagrams.
Do weekend diagrams change week by week, or do they stay the same?

 

[rg177]

Don't forget 0755 INV-KGX and 0752/0952 ABD-KGX...

 

[43096]

I think that's all of the diagrams.
Do weekend diagrams change week by week, or do they stay the same?

They are the workings, not the diagrams, to be precise.
The diagrams can be found here: https://www.125group.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/HST-Diags-LNER.pdf

Weekends will depend on whether engineering works are on or not.

 

[cactustwirly]

They are the workings, not the diagrams, to be precise.
The diagrams can be found here: https://www.125group.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/HST-Diags-LNER.pdf

Weekends will depend on whether engineering works are on or not.

To be more precise, I've taken the diagrams from the 125 group, and put them in a better format for journey planning.
So being pedantic they are HST workings.

 

[43096]

Don't forget 0755 INV-KGX and 0752/0952 ABD-KGX...

And also missing the up and down Hull and 1818 ABD-LDS.

 

[43096]

To be more precise, I've taken the diagrams from the 125 group, and put them in a better format for journey planning.
So being pedantic they are HST workings.

Would have been nice if you'd credited the source then...

Shame you've missed some workings, too.

 

[robbeech]

1500 KGX to STG is obviously terminating at EDB currently. But is still booked for an HST

 

[RE460Swiss]

Any ideas what these diagrams will look like in march / April 2019?

 

[cactustwirly]

Any ideas what these diagrams will look like in march / April 2019?

It's a bit too early to tell, but from what I've heard, the 225s are being replaced first.
So it should be very sumsimi to the current list, bar the ex EMT set (highlighted in orange)

 

[RE460Swiss]

It's a bit too early to tell, but from what I've heard, the 225s are being replaced first.
So it should be very sumsimi to the current list, bar the ex EMT set (highlighted in orange)

Thanks Cactustwirly, do you know when they start replacing the 225s?

I am intending to head up to Scotland late march/ early April via HST or 225.

Cheers,
RE460

 

[cactustwirly]

Thanks Cactustwirly, do you know when they start replacing the 225s?

I am intending to head up to Scotland late march/ early April via HST or 225.

Cheers,
RE460

The initial diagrams of the 800s are very likely to be Leeds/Newark services, therefore I'm fairly certain that Scotland services are very likely to be 225s/HSTs

 

[VioletEclipse]

What are the chances of LNER HSTs making it to 2020? Personally I think it's quite high, as introducing new stock seems to always take longer than planned.

 

[cactustwirly]

What are the chances of LNER HSTs making it to 2020? Personally I think it's quite high, as introducing new stock seems to always take longer than planned.

They can't be used past 31/12, so it isn't that high.
Although the 225s aren't fully PRM compliant, it's more politically acceptable for them to be used into 2020, if need be.

 

[Darandio]

They can't be used past 31/12, so it isn't that high.

I wouldn't bet against it.

 

[VioletEclipse]

They can't be used past 31/12, so it isn't that high.
Although the 225s aren't fully PRM compliant, it's more politically acceptable for them to be used into 2020, if need be.

That would make sense, I presume the majority will go to scrap or go into preservation, apart from the ones for Scotrail.

 

[DanNCL]

It's a bit too early to tell, but from what I've heard, the 225s are being replaced first.

From what I've heard a small number 91s/Mark 4s are being replaced first to allow Transport for Wales to have their Mark 4s, then it'll be the HSTs replaced, and then finally the remaining 91s/Mark 4s. Can't guarantee that is what'll actually happen but I've heard from multiple people within LNER that that is the plan.

They can't be used past 31/12, so it isn't that high.
Although the 225s aren't fully PRM compliant, it's more politically acceptable for them to be used into 2020, if need be.

It'd be more politically acceptable to carry on using the HSTs into 2020 than it would be to get rid of them all and potentially have to cancel a large number of services because there aren't enough 800s operational to work them.

 

[cactustwirly]

I've added the Weekend Diagrams to the list

 

[DanNCL]

Just an FYI, the Newark turns that are booked for HSTs on a weekday are usually worked by a 90 (despite officially being booked to be worked by a HST), with the HST working the 12:30 Kings Cross - Newcastle and the 16:25 return instead (officially booked to be a 91 but usually worked by a HST), you might want to add those notes next to the respective services.

 

[cactustwirly]

Just an FYI, the Newark turns that are booked for HSTs on a weekday are usually worked by a 90 (despite officially being booked to be worked by a HST), with the HST working the 12:30 Kings Cross - Newcastle and the 16:25 return instead (officially booked to be a 91 but usually worked by a HST), you might want to add those notes next to the respective services.

Not really interested in that, as the 800 intro should eliminate the 90 workings.

 

[DanNCL]

Not really interested in that, as the 800 intro should eliminate the 90 workings.

The point I'm making is that they regularly (by that I mean almost every day) operate a few services that are booked for a HST - with this thread being for HST workings it'd be useful to note that as if not noted people could easily look at this thread, turn up for one of those services expecting a HST, then be disappointed when a 90 rolls in on it. I was just trying to be helpful.

 

[43096]

The point I'm making is that they regularly (by that I mean almost every day) operate a few services that are booked for a HST - with this thread being for HST workings it'd be useful to note that as if not noted people could easily look at this thread, turn up for one of those services expecting a HST, then be disappointed when a 90 rolls in on it. I was just trying to be helpful.

You might find the diagrams here more helpful: https://www.125group.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/HST-Diags-LNER.pdf

They have a note on them about the Class 90 substitutions and what the HST displaced often does as a consequence.

 

[DanNCL]

You might find the diagrams here more helpful: https://www.125group.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/HST-Diags-LNER.pdf

They have a note on them about the Class 90 substitutions and what the HST displaced often does as a consequence.

So basically confirming what I've already said in this thread in post #19. What I was suggesting was that the same notes are applied to the opening post on this thread.

 

[cactustwirly]

You might find the diagrams here more helpful: https://www.125group.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/HST-Diags-LNER.pdf

They have a note on them about the Class 90 substitutions and what the HST displaced often does as a consequence.

I used that very useful document to compose this list of services, but didn't see that note.
Thanks for pointing this out, as I was under the impression that there were no booked 90 diagrams.

 

[Andy Pacer]

The point I'm making is that they regularly (by that I mean almost every day) operate a few services that are booked for a HST - with this thread being for HST workings it'd be useful to note that as if not noted people could easily look at this thread, turn up for one of those services expecting a HST, then be disappointed when a 90 rolls in on it. I was just trying to be helpful.

In fairness I'd rather know if I was looking at HST diagrams if there is a likelihood that it will turn up as something different, so thanks for the additional info @DanNCL !

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Just an FYI, the Newark turns that are booked for HSTs on a weekday are usually worked by a 90 (despite officially being booked to be worked by a HST), with the HST working the 12:30 Kings Cross - Newcastle and the 16:25 return instead (officially booked to be a 91 but usually worked by a HST), you might want to add those notes next to the respective services.

Surely if it’s not an actual HST diagram then it’s not one for the list?

 

[VT 390]

Does anyone know if any of the morning Aberdeen to Kings Cross services will still be HST's in July/August 2019?

 

[cactustwirly]

Does anyone know if any of the morning Aberdeen to Kings Cross services will still be HST's in July/August 2019?

No, we don't know what LNER is planning re HST replacement, as the 91s are significantly more compliant with PRM, my feeling is that they'll be kept longer than the HSTs.
So the Aberdeen services could be 800s in July or August, or they could be HSTs.

 

[cactustwirly]

Updated the first post, taking into account the first 800 diagram.

Will be a while before the next update, as the IETs are not expected to replace any more HSTs until later this year

 

[Railperf]

Just an FYI, the Newark turns that are booked for HSTs on a weekday are usually worked by a 90 (despite officially being booked to be worked by a HST), with the HST working the 12:30 Kings Cross - Newcastle and the 16:25 return instead (officially booked to be a 91 but usually worked by a HST), you might want to add those notes next to the respective services.

I thought the majority of Newark turns were diagrammed as loco hauled stock urilising class 91s but a shortage of serviceable 91s means 90s are hired in instead?