Restriction BE and changing trains at Clapham Junction between 16:06 and 19:09

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On restriction BE it says:

Not valid on trains timed to depart:.... Clapham Junction after 04:29 and before 11:08, and after 16:06 and before 19:09.

Ticket Restriction BE | National Rail

Ticket restriction details BE. Each train ticket restriction code states when and/or on what train(s) the ticket is not valid and the days and/or dates that these restrictions apply.

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Does this mean one is barred from changing trains?

For example, if you have a ticket to London terminals and your train runs to London Waterloo but you wish to go to London Victoria, do you have to walk between London Waterloo and London Victoria rather than changing at Clapham Junction, in order to avoid paying more?

National Rail Enquiries suggests that is the case. However I wouldn't have thought Clapham Junction would be more busy with passengers than the London terminals someone arrives into. It also does bar you exciting Clapham Junction and using Ouster to go back in so you'd still be assing to the station numbers. Or maybe better for some buying a single ticket from Clapham Junction to Victoria

For example Guildford to London terminals super off peak return is £11:60. I can get the 17:01 to Waterloo and £11.60 is quoted.

If out in London Victoria then the oirxe goes up to £14.80 but only if between 16:06 and 19:09 when boarding a train at Clapham Junction.

The train to Waterloo however does stop at Clapham Junction and thus is due to depart in those times, a bet one is already on it.

 

[JonathanH]

It is clearly intended to restrict country bound journeys but there is probably no way of doing that and not restricting journeys towards London which require a change at Clapham Junction.

This is Guildford to London Terminals Super off peak day return. I don't think anyone in practice would prevent travel into Victoria changing at Clapham Junction in the evening peak.

 

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It is intended to restrict country bound journeys but there is probably no way of doing that and not restricting journeys towards London.

This is Guildford to London Terminals Super off-peak day return. I don't think anyone in practice would prevent travel into Victoria changing at Clapham Junction in the evening peak.

Well, I do hope.

I use the system to my advantage and thus feel I shouldn't take the mick when I can do something that isn't permitted but no one would notice.

For example. One takes one route away from London, breaking the journey to visit somewhere.

Then once finished there they then switch to another route because it is faster.

The original slower route being started to save money by not having to buy another ticket.

To me it seems only right you continue the route you started.

However, in this case I think it is ludicrous. The weird thing is, my understanding of the written restriction is that one shouldn't be on a train even if it is passing through Clapham Junction, yet tickets show up in Journey planners, so long as you don't change off-peak

The ticket let's one through the barrier when exiting so they can program the barrier to allow it, assuming the barrier wouldn't allow it in the other direction also. I wasn't checking that direction.

 

[JonathanH]

The weird thing is, my understanding of the written restriction is that one shouldn't be on a train even if it is passing through Clapham Junction, yet tickets show up in Journey planners, so long as you don't change off-peak

In this case, I don't think anyone is playing the system. I think it is clear that it is only intended to be a country-bound restriction.

I hadn't thought twice about changing at Clapham Junction on London bound services using similar tickets in the past. The <Southern destinations> to London Terminals tickets have code PB which equally, taken literally, would prevent changing at Clapham Junction or London Bridge on the inbound journey in the peak.

 

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In this case, I don't think anyone is playing the system. I think it is clear that it is only intended to be a country-bound restriction.

I hadn't thought twice about changing at Clapham Junction on London bound services using similar tickets in the past. The <Southern destinations> to London Terminals tickets have code PB which equally, taken literally, would prevent changing at Clapham Junction or London Bridge on the inbound journey in the peak.

I didn't mean this. journey in particular but more widely. In that, if I bought a ticket that allowed me to make a journey that wasn't intended using that ticket but was valid then I kind of feel I should abide by the rules when they aren't being favourable to me, as would be the case here.

Anyway as they weren't wanting to include this and wouldn't want to stop people like myself travelling, I took the view I'd do ur.

It's a good job I didn't go up to a TMV that requires a destination to be entered, without knowing the fares in advance or I would be paying the more expensive fare. As it is the TMV I used doesn't require a destination.