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sjpowermac

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Parents have been invited to report teachers to Ofsted if they are unsatisfied with video lessons... Just what us teachers need...

DfE is now making us take registers of all Zoom participants and yet us teachers get the abuse from parents when we chase up why a kid wasn't on Zoom...

I'm in the situation where I'm in class with 6 kids on devices supervising their learning while simultaneously giving real time support to 24 kids and their stressing parents.
I think this story might interest you:
England’s schools inspectorate, Ofsted, has been overwhelmed by more than 10,000 emails from parents, mostly singing the praises of their children’s schools, after Gavin Williamson urged them to complain if they were not satisfied with the remote education on offer.
Like most things GW does, that one backfired!

Many schools are really pushing the ‘Live Stream’ aspect of remote learning, I know my school has gone ‘all in’ on it, but OFSTED caution:
It coincided with new Ofsted guidance on remote learning, which advised that live online lessons - frequently held up as the gold standard during lockdown - were not always the best way to deliver remote education and that sometimes text books and worksheets might be more effective.
 
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Not really a "backfire" if it shows an outcome working much better than feared?
As I understand it GW encouraged parents to report teachers/schools if remote learning wasn’t up to scratch. I think most people in the profession took that as a slap in the face, and the impression I got from the original poster when they wrote:
Parents have been invited to report teachers to Ofsted if they are unsatisfied with video lessons... Just what us teachers need...
The fact that things turned out differently and many parents contacted OFSTED in support of teachers/schools seems to me (and the writer of the article) to be not what GW expected.

Perhaps you think teachers/schools only made an effort because of the threat of OFSTED? Other than that, I’m a bit nonplussed by your comment.

For the avoidance of doubt, I think remote learning is a poor substitute for in person teaching, but I know many people who have worked really hard to get to grips with the situation.
 
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Perhaps you think teachers/schools only made an effort because of the threat of OFSTED? Other than that, I’m a bit nonplussed by your comment.

Sorry is this aimed at me? If so I don't think that. In fact I am a teacher myself.
 

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Sorry is this aimed at me? If so I don't think that. In fact I am a teacher myself.
No it was in reply to a subsequent and rather unkind comment, I think the full post makes clear I’m not directing anything at you other than a positive comment.

I posted the story as a plus for schools and teachers, I really wish I hadn’t bothered now.

No further comment from me in reply to this.
 
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What Williamson said was unhelpful as always, but there was a lot of variance in the remote learning offered by schools during the first lockdown. I know a local primary school was only offering worksheets, in very limited numbers, the first time round. Ofsted shouldn't be the first port of call but if provision hasn't improved parents should be entitled to question why.
 

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The feedback I get is that online learning is deemed a poor substitute but parents are overwhelmingly positive about the efforts schools are making to make the best of a challenging situation.

I've spoken with dozens of parents lately and almost without exception all were full of praise for the efforts the school is doing as well as being keen to see a return to schools being fully reopened to all students

These concepts aren't all mutually exclusive.
 

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The feedback I get is that online learning is deemed a poor substitute but parents are overwhelmingly positive about the efforts schools are making to make the best of a challenging situation.

I've spoken with dozens of parents lately and almost without exception all were full of praise for the efforts the school is doing as well as being keen to see a return to schools being fully reopened to all students

These concepts aren't all mutually exclusive.

Whilst in general agreement there are some occasions where the quality of the material produced is a little worrying.

We've had maths questions which didn't have a valid answer (June), English which had sentences which hasn't made sense (work at for tomorrow), part class video calls where parents were chatting to their child so it was hard to hear the teacher (Friday just gone) and videos created where the teacher had been a dark shadow in front of a screen or a window (least one created for work at for tomorrow). End of last term we had a class presentation where the children were filmed on a device from about 3m away and to hear it we had to watch on our TV with the volume at 100 (when normally we never go above 20 whatever we watch) and resulted in excessive background noise.

I'm fully aware that teachers have a lot to do and have been dropped in the deep end, however some of the above does highlight that sometimes something as simple as getting someone else to review what's being sent out could stop some of those errors (our children are of primary age where the school has 4 form entry and each class in a year is being issued with the same work, so there's at least 4 teachers per year, therefore there should be plenty of staff time to skim over what's being issued and nearly none of the things highlighted were from last week, where we would be willing to accept that there was a mad rush to get stuff out and so errors would be more likely).

If anyone would like the maths question it was; make the following numbers:
38
64
(3 or 4 other numbers which worked)

By adding 2 numbers together from these numbers:
26
39
53
71
88
 

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Whilst in general agreement there are some occasions where the quality of the material produced is a little worrying.

We've had maths questions which didn't have a valid answer (June), English which had sentences which hasn't made sense (work at for tomorrow), part class video calls where parents were chatting to their child so it was hard to hear the teacher (Friday just gone) and videos created where the teacher had been a dark shadow in front of a screen or a window (least one created for work at for tomorrow). End of last term we had a class presentation where the children were filmed on a device from about 3m away and to hear it we had to watch on our TV with the volume at 100 (when normally we never go above 20 whatever we watch) and resulted in excessive background noise.

I'm fully aware that teachers have a lot to do and have been dropped in the deep end, however some of the above does highlight that sometimes something as simple as getting someone else to review what's being sent out could stop some of those errors (our children are of primary age where the school has 4 form entry and each class in a year is being issued with the same work, so there's at least 4 teachers per year, therefore there should be plenty of staff time to skim over what's being issued and nearly none of the things highlighted were from last week, where we would be willing to accept that there was a mad rush to get stuff out and so errors would be more likely).

If anyone would like the maths question it was; make the following numbers:
38
64
(3 or 4 other numbers which worked)

By adding 2 numbers together from these numbers:
26
39
53
71
88
This proves three things
1 online teaching cannot replace in class teaching at this level;
2 teachers are under immense pressure at the moment, having to change lesson plans, ways of working, and more;
3 teachers are human

None of this is a surprise to me
 

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This proves three things
1 online teaching cannot replace in class teaching at this level;
2 teachers are under immense pressure at the moment, having to change lesson plans, ways of working, and more;
3 teachers are human

None of this is a surprise to me

Indeed.
 

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We were very fortunate in my school that we started being trained in Google Classroom before anybody had heard or Covid so we were very fortunate. I can easily see how other schools struggled as they suddenly had to learn how to do things like Google Classroom and Microsoft Teams once remote learning had already started.
 

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This proves three things
1 online teaching cannot replace in class teaching at this level;
2 teachers are under immense pressure at the moment, having to change lesson plans, ways of working, and more;
3 teachers are human

None of this is a surprise to m


My partner is a six year teacher and I am amazed at how much work she is currently putting into teaching to ensure that children continue to get some form of education!

As a starter, she is doing the following:
  1. Running four 30-40 minute sessions daily online on zoom and I loose count of the time she asks her 30 children to go onto mute!
  2. Has to be in school for three days a week to look after a bubble of children (along with managing her children online...) and do this role without any mask or real protection
  3. Has to prepare for the 4 online sessions daily, making sure it is suitable for doing online and at home- nearly everything that was previous taught in person has to be changed
  4. Has one child who is not able to use a screen due to an illness, so has to be given separate work that can be printed off for the child
  5. Has to release the work for the children to complete daily and monitor the children work/ identify children not working
  6. Has manage distribution of tablets to children who need one
  7. Has to contact parents for children who are not present or are not doing the work to ensure they are 1) okay, not in harms way and 2) not missing out on education
  8. Has to mark multiple pieces of work daily from the children
  9. Regular meetings with other year 6 teachers and other school meetings
  10. Respond to lots of e-mails and 'paperwork'
  11. Also manages the English curriculum across the whole school and supports other teachers

She spent several days during the Christmas period preparing for the Spring term, getting all her lesson plans ready for the first two week of teaching. You can imagine her joy when she had to redo everything to be delivered online with 1-2 days notice!

She is easily doing 8.30am-7pm everyday plus a decent few hours at the weekend to keep on top of it!

Compared to my role in the rail industry, I am lucky that I earn far more than my partner and have half the workload.
 
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By the way the percentage of our students who are in school today is a single digit percentage.
 

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As someone taking part in online learning on video calls (secondary school), I can certainly say that it’s very popular amongst teachers and students in my area. It is just seen as a safer version of face to face teaching, which is very good for a lockdown in a pandemic. I don’t personally see it as a necessity to get students and teachers back into school, where there’s potential for them to be super spreaders. Perhaps even coming back just before or straight after the Easter Holidays. We need to have a well executed lockdown and make sure cases stay as low as possible.

Note: This doesn’t apply for primary schools, as I can imagine that that could be a lot tougher.
 

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As someone taking part in online learning on video calls (secondary school), I can certainly say that it’s very popular amongst teachers and students in my area. It is just seen as a safer version of face to face teaching, which is very good for a lockdown in a pandemic. I don’t personally see it as a necessity to get students and teachers back into school, where there’s potential for them to be super spreaders. Perhaps even coming back just before or straight after the Easter Holidays. We need to have a well executed lockdown and make sure cases stay as low as possible.

Note: This doesn’t apply for primary schools, as I can imagine that that could be a lot tougher.
Still no substitute for face to face lessons. Keeping them out until e Easter will do untold damage to the mental health of many. They need to communicate with peers and online teaching, whilst better than nothing, still doesn't readily allow them to do that. We need to get a grip and realise we have to find ways to live with this virus rather than locking people up all of the time.
 

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Still no substitute for face to face lessons. Keeping them out until e Easter will do untold damage to the mental health of many. They need to communicate with peers and online teaching, whilst better than nothing, still doesn't readily allow them to do that. We need to get a grip and realise we have to find ways to live with this virus rather than locking people up all of the time.

In my son's reception, effectively 50% of the learning time is devoted to social skills, co-operative play, etc. You can't replicate that at home.
 

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Still no substitute for face to face lessons. Keeping them out until e Easter will do untold damage to the mental health of many. They need to communicate with peers and online teaching, whilst better than nothing, still doesn't readily allow them to do that. We need to get a grip and realise we have to find ways to live with this virus rather than locking people up all of the time.
That’s why some schools have optional welfare/well-being calls. That seems like a good way to talk to others. Alternatively what’s the issue with just setting up a private call over lunch time or something?
 

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As someone taking part in online learning on video calls (secondary school), I can certainly say that it’s very popular amongst teachers and students in my area.
I don't think it'll be very popular in a few weeks time. That's my experience with online university - everyone loved it for the first two or three weeks (extra time in bed!) then hated it. It's boring, demoralising (sitting staring at a screen all day, every day) and difficult to engage with.

You also miss out on being able to ask questions as they pop into your head, teachers can't get a visualisation of understanding (lots of teachers look for gentle head nodding in classrooms) and also not being able to develop your peer-working and group working skills.

Online learning at any age of the school curriculum is no substitute for in-person learning.
 

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That’s why some schools have optional welfare/well-being calls. That seems like a good way to talk to others. Alternatively what’s the issue with just setting up a private call over lunch time or something?
The wellbeing calls are not between pupils they are from staff, no substitute for being in school with their friends. Afraid that is fact and no matter how many unacceptable alternatives you offer that is how it is, they need to be in school.
 

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Online learning versus classroom learning might well be a moot point if all these children starve to death.

Slightly dramatic perhaps but the images coming out today of food parcels that are designed to give children school lunches for five days are woefully inadequate, how are kids supposed to concentrate if in some cases they aren't eating? It's also of no surprise to learn that one of the contracted companies involved in these parcels has close Tory ties.
 

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Online learning versus classroom learning might well be a moot point if all these children starve to death.

Slightly dramatic perhaps but the images coming out today of food parcels that are designed to give children school lunches for five days are woefully inadequate, how are kids supposed to concentrate if in some cases they aren't eating? It's also of no surprise to learn that one of the contracted companies involved in these parcels has close Tory ties.

Indeed, I've seen a picture of a good parcel which cost the government £30 but looking at the amount of food (even allowing for the use of branded items) was easily less than £10.

We've got 3 children and it generally costs us less than £90 for a whole week's worth of shopping for all 5 of us, including specialist dairy and soya free products and not being all that careful on what we do buy.

I suspect that if the schools were given the funding they'd be able to provide much better food whilst still being able to pay for the lunchtime supervisors to distribute the food to those not at school and maybe even keep a few pence per child per week to help the school finances (which although would cause some raised eyebrows would be much more politically acceptable than the current situation - especially as those schools which would benefit the most would be those schools which would be those which are most likely to have limited access to parent financial contributions).
 

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I don’t know if this has been raised before, but thinking about parts of the north east that were blanketed in snow today, could the advent of online learning make weather-related school closures a thing of the past? Now that the pandemic has unlocked all the potential with online learning, I expect teachers will be wondering whether there is still a case for pupils to have the day off on a snow day when they can now learn with their class online without the issues of travelling to school. I could see this becoming more of the norm after the pandemic is over, which would be a shame since snow days can be a very beneficial experience for children.
 

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I don’t know if this has been raised before, but thinking about parts of the north east that were blanketed in snow today, could the advent of online learning make weather-related school closures a thing of the past? Now that the pandemic has unlocked all the potential with online learning, I expect teachers will be wondering whether there is still a case for pupils to have the day off on a snow day when they can now learn with their class online without the issues of travelling to school. I could see this becoming more of the norm after the pandemic is over, which would be a shame since snow days can be a very beneficial experience for children.
That had already crossed my mind.
 

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I don’t know if this has been raised before, but thinking about parts of the north east that were blanketed in snow today, could the advent of online learning make weather-related school closures a thing of the past? Now that the pandemic has unlocked all the potential with online learning, I expect teachers will be wondering whether there is still a case for pupils to have the day off on a snow day when they can now learn with their class online without the issues of travelling to school. I could see this becoming more of the norm after the pandemic is over, which would be a shame since snow days can be a very beneficial experience for children.

Yes, my other half says this is most likely.

Another one of those rosy innocent childhood memories that's under threat from the modern world!
 

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Yes, my other half says this is most likely.

Another one of those rosy innocent childhood memories that's under threat from the modern world!
Interesting thought that online working during snowy weather is a threat from the modern world and that snow days are a childhood memory.

For me, and I’m only in my early 60’s, snow days are not exactly a threat, but are a thing of the modern world. During my early years of teaching, during the 1980’s, snow days were unheard of. Back then, only 40 years ago, many teachers often lived closer to the school where they worked than they do today, and health and safety issues were not widely considered.

Where I worked, at a fairly large primary school, there were about 4 of us, including the headteacher, who even in very deep snow could walk to the school within 30 minutes. We looked after all of the children between us until such time as staff who lived further away managed to arrive. Schools didn’t close in those days and so all the children would arrive and be snowballing and sliding in the playground until we let them inside. When I think back some of the staff who lived further away must have had horrendous journeys to work, but they didn’t give up and sometimes didn’t arrive until halfway through the morning.

I’m not saying those days were better, but it was a different world, and people just wouldn’t do it today. Sorry for wandering off the point of this thread, not really a Covid matter.
 

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Interesting thought that online working during snowy weather is a threat from the modern world and that snow days are a childhood memory.

For me, and I’m only in my early 60’s, snow days are not exactly a threat, but are a thing of the modern world. During my early years of teaching, during the 1980’s, snow days were unheard of. Back then, only 40 years ago, many teachers often lived closer to the school where they worked than they do today, and health and safety issues were not widely considered.

Where I worked, at a fairly large primary school, there were about 4 of us, including the headteacher, who even in very deep snow could walk to the school within 30 minutes. We looked after all of the children between us until such time as staff who lived further away managed to arrive. Schools didn’t close in those days and so all the children would arrive and be snowballing and sliding in the playground until we let them inside. When I think back some of the staff who lived further away must have had horrendous journeys to work, but they didn’t give up and sometimes didn’t arrive until halfway through the morning.

I’m not saying those days were better, but it was a different world, and people just wouldn’t do it today. Sorry for wandering off the point of this thread, not really a Covid matter.
My school was shut for a few days in 1987 but that was exceptional. More recently I cycled five miles to work in the snow in March 2018. What struck me was how many people were walking along Newport Road, normally a busy six lane road. There were some cars moving slowly and several more that were stuck.
 

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As a teacher myself, I can say that the main issue throughout all of this has been that Education in England is run by someone who has never worked in education so actually has no clue what they are talking about. I do think it would be useful for a Secretary of State to have some experience in the area they are leading.
 

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As a teacher myself, I can say that the main issue throughout all of this has been that Education in England is run by someone who has never worked in education so actually has no clue what they are talking about. I do think it would be useful for a Secretary of State to have some experience in the area they are leading.

Agreed although in practice you will never have a Parliament, let alone party, that had at least one MP who has background in each possible area. Especially now in the era of life long career politicians.

I wonder when the last former teacher in Parliament was. Teaching is so stressful these days, especially with the hours, workload, constantly trying to please everyone and juggle loads of plates at the same time etc that people who the profession probably won't want to go into politics...
 

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Agreed although in practice you will never have a Parliament, let alone party, that had at least one MP who has background in each possible area. Especially now in the era of life long career politicians.

I wonder when the last former teacher in Parliament was. Teaching is so stressful these days, especially with the hours, workload, constantly trying to please everyone and juggle loads of plates at the same time etc that people who the profession probably won't want to go into politics...
Currently, there is an MP called Jonathan Gullis who was a former teacher although from the headlines that can be found when searching his name I'm not sure he is the best fit for the job:

 

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Schools in England will be given two weeks' notice before reopening, the education secretary has said.


Gavin Williamson told BBC Breakfast he was "not able to exactly say" when pupils will return to class.

The government has said reopening of schools would be prioritised when the current coronavirus lockdown restrictions are eased.
Someone has just realised that telling schools on 15 February whether or not they will open on 22 February may not be a good idea (for anyone who doesn't already know, w/c 15 Feb will be the half-term break for many schools); I could have told them that weeks ago!

So this leads to two possibilities
1) They will bring the 15 Feb review forward by 1 week; or
2) Schools will be further delayed opening on 1st March

Sadly I predict 1st March for schools reopening.

I also predict school staff (among others e.g. police) will be prioritised for the vaccine from around that date, ahead of over 50s.
 
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