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The only wing really needed is a wing and a prayer.
Irrespective of what you think on that very particular molehill of self-righteousness, nearly half of the readers of the Daily Mail do not subscribe to Right Wing policies nor do they vote for Conservative or Right Wing political parties.
It has always been in the interests of the Left to demonise private production and private employment. The reality so far as the Railways were concerned was that Privatisation has brought with it rates of pay and terms and conditions that could only have been dreamt of before.
And you have a choice my friend.And fares that are the stuff of nightmares.
IMHO, the two assemblies are essentially cosmetic while there is no English equivalent. But that is another argument . What I was chiefly referring to was the way that government institutions, and the process of government itself, became centralised into the hands of a few individuals, some elected some not, with Parliament largely by-passed as a proper scrutinising body.Excuse me?
The Welsh Assembly? The Scottish Parliament? - and the opportunity for devolved powers in England - only the English were too stupid and suspicious to grasp the opportunity.
The regions of England were going to be offered devolution under Labour but the first to be asked rejected it.IMHO, the two assemblies are essentially cosmetic while there is no English equivalent.
imho, the two assemblies are essentially cosmetic
The regions of England were going to be offered devolution under Labour but the first to be asked rejected it.
That should definitely go some way to helping the deficit !Quite right too would just have involved more has beens and those who were not good enough at a**e licking to be an MP, putting their snouts in the public trough.
The sooner the Queen decides that the best thing to do with an MP is have the Beafeaters use them to amuse some American tourists on Tower Green. By demonstrating one of our traditional customs the better.
The sooner the Queen decides that the best thing to do with an MP is have the Beafeaters use them to amuse some American tourists on Tower Green. By demonstrating one of our traditional customs the better.
That'd be the Americans who's antecedents eschewed constitutional monarchy.
If the MPs are going to The Tower, then the royals (different snouts, same trough) should go along too.
Not in the Class War which Snapper subscribes to. Stereotypes are very much required in order to preach Socialism. The fact that Left Wing papers such as the Independent and the Guardian are losing readers week by week does not matter, in the same way that it does not matter that the general poluation of the UK is conservative with a small "c" and has not subscribed to Left Wing policies in any great way.
It is only this myth that the Left still perpetuate about anybody right of centre, and the propoganda fed to youngsters at school by the miltant leftist in the 70s and 80s especially.
It has always been in the interests of the Left to demonise private production and private employment. The reality so far as the Railways were concerned was that Privatisation has brought with it rates of pay and terms and conditions that could only have been dreamt of before.
The nearest thing we have to a Government controlled organisation is Network Rail, which has long since embarked on a policy of reducing the Ts&Cs of those wh were TUPE'd in from the Private Infrastructure Contractors. They also have a nice line in suppressing incident reporting and removing those who fail to toe the applied line of production above safety - try proposing a late Possession handback because you want to relieve tired staff sometime and see what happens. A combination of idealogical ideals and the unwillingness of the Trade Unions and others to admit they were wrong continues to do nothing other than damage the interests of their members. Left Wing cynicism in its true light.
Thankyou for that - though did you miss the h off the front? It is always disapointing when you try to wind someone up and get no response I suspect that, when the Scottish bit was set up, the Labour party could not imagine losing control, and thought they would be able to dictate or manipulate. I also suspect that the SNP would have been much happier sniping away in opposition. We shall see!ahahahahahahaha!
You have completely missed the point. Network Rail is an organisation set up by Labour and their cronies. As with pretty much everything they touched it is not fit for purpose being neither fish nor fowl, e.g. it is neither public nor private although in effect it is a nationalised Industry because the Board members are appointed with the tacit agreement of the DfT, and they are not free to dispose of the assets in the way a private Company would be.I love the irony here. We talk about Class War, and then we cheerfully attribute everything that we have complaints about to the Left Wing. So Not Work Rail is driven by Ideology, is it? .
The usual misinformed rubbish we expect to read from you...If the MPs are going to The Tower, then the royals (different snouts, same trough) should go along too.
No, Hatfield was brought about by (1) Railtrack not allowing Fast line blockages because of TOC demands and the delay attrribution costs, and (2) as a result of Railtrack cancelling a re-railing POssession because of non-cooperation from the TOC/FOCs, and I have long perpetuated the view that senior Managers in those Companies should have been brought to account as it was their refusals to let essential track inspections and work go ahead. A similar situation applied at Grayrigg where the TOC wanted to run trains with insufficient time being allowed for inspection.but weren't there rather a lot of accidents caused by poor maintenance and so on under the private Contractors? It would rather seem that their practices did not seem too succesful in terms of ensuring safety.
Currently the cost per year of the Royal family to each taxpayer is in the region of 60-65p according to figues I have quickly googled.
It seems to me you must be desperately unhappy living in our democracy as I have yet to read anything positive from you, maybe Cuba would be a good place for you if you really are so anti- democratic as you appear to be ?
I dont have the time to do as much research as you may have done, but I see you have deliberately excluded the potential impact of the Royal Family in attracting tourists. The UK tourism equates to £100bn a year. even at the figures you suggest (no attribution) that still means that the Royal Family only represents around 0.02% of total tourism revenue.Rule 1. When using the internet to find evidence to support an argument it's best not to 'quickly Google' and read one of the top hits. Investigate further.
Your figure is per person. Just under 30 million UK income tax payers. Royal Family directly cost £32.1M in 2011.
Figures for security are not included and this is believed to add another £70M the actual cost of supporting the Royal Family.
So nearer £3 per taxpayer. That's an extra pint I could afford..
And therein is the difference. I have and do work abroad an awful lot, funnily enough I am engaged on a littel job in Argentina right now !.I love this country, never lived or worked anywhere else. A country where I'm free to hold political beliefs that may differ from yours, OT. To hold left of centre and republican (anti-monarchy) views does not make me anti-democratic. It's also fun to be able to freely satirise all facets of the political system..
They were not intended as digs but as responses to your own admitted Politics. They are not representative of the vast majority in the UK, and thus you must feel uncomfortable as no-one will take forward your case.Enjoyable too debating with you OT. Even if you do tend to pepper your responses with personal digs.
Doesn't bother me, comes as part of the cut 'n thrust of debate. Try going on PPRuNE sometime amd see real personal disparagement !Oops. Personal dig.
It depends upon what you mean as "detrimental effect".What does make me uncomfortable, and has done since I've been disabled, are the many policies from the centre-right that have had, in the past, or will have, in the future, a detrimental effect on my quality of life. See? I can go off on random tangents as well. .
I am hard put to name any Country which follows a Socialist regime which is not impoverished.
Most of Scandanavia's pretty socialist and has great standards of living.
Also, OT, what was the Stalin biography called and would you recommend it? Sounds interesting.
Whilst there has certainly been Right Wing extremeism, this was not so idealogically driven. .
I am hard put to name any Country which follows a Socialist regime which is not impoverished.
Their management of the economy though is not, being more Social democrat than Labour.Most of Scandanavia's pretty socialist and has great standards of living..
I will dig the details out for you.Most of Scandanavia's pretty socialist and has great standards of living.
Also, OT, what was the Stalin biography called and would you recommend it? Sounds interesting.
Whilst there has certainly been Right Wing extremeism, this was not so idealogically driven.
We were discussing Right Wing dictatorships.I'd say organizations such as the National Front and the borderline-terrorist EDL are very ideologically driven.
We were discussing Right Wing dictatorships.
What have they got to do with the NF and the EDL ???What about all the fascist dictatorships of the 1920s to 1940s?
What have they got to do with the NF and the EDL ???
I do not understand your point at all. I have pointed out that there were both Left and Right Wing dictatorships. There aren't any other forms.