RMT dispute on Merseyrail

[Bletchleyite]

Speed limits have also reduced due to drive-on-sight.

Of course the FLIRTs will solve that a different way - level no-gap boarding is provided by a moving step rather than the platforms being very close to the trains. Only the height needs to be adjusted.

 

[pemma]

Speed limits have also reduced due to drive-on-sight.

Trams switch between line of sight and NR signalling at Timperley. Southbound trams are pretty much always stopped at a red signal in the Timperley area due to having to wait for a northbound tram to clear the single track section.

 

[Polarbear]

Assuming you're going off your car speedo, they tend to over-read by up to about 5% because under-reading by even 1mph is illegal. As such it's quite possible many of them are in fact not speeding.

I've learnt something new today - cheers!

 

[Bletchleyite]

I've learnt something new today - cheers!

No probs. It's interesting to compare the speedo reading with an accurate value via GPS.

 

[Robertj21a]

No probs. It's interesting to compare the speedo reading with an accurate value via GPS.

Even those electronic speed indicator signs you get sometimes, usually at the start of a 30mph limit, will confirm that your actual speed is probably about 2-3mph lower than your speedo suggests.

 

[Chester1]

Probably the wrong thread to debate the merits of trams vs trains etc. The relevance to Merseyrail is level boarding allows people with disabilities to board the train without needing help from the guard.

Level crossings on Southport and West Kirby lines are a concern for Merseyrail DOO. Some money saved through opperating DOO could be spent on closing the user opperated crossings. The ones on the West Kirby line could be closed by building several hundred metres of gravel track to connect the small number (probably a dozen) dwellings cut off. Probably a footbridge would be needed too for the foot paths. There is sufficient space to close both automatic crossings if necessary. I don't know the area well but the user opperated crossings on the Southport line must be able to be closed too, there are so many automatic level crossings any diversions required would be relatively short!

 

[robertclark125]

But what you have to remember is, building a gravel path of several hundred metres isn't straightforward. You need to apply to the relevant authority to divert a public right of way. They might object, and refuse permission.

 

[Goldfish62]

According to Liverpool Echo the guards have the support of the public.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/merseyrail-strikes-working-echo-readers-13809943

Sam

In which case they can vote out the Labour councillors responsible for DOO at the next local elections.

 

[pemma]

According to Liverpool Echo the guards have the support of the public.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/merseyrail-strikes-working-echo-readers-13809943
Sam

The question they seem to have been asked is do they want just a driver on the train or a driver and guard on the train. I wonder what people would say if they are asked would they pay extra to keep a guard, or would they accept CSAs on board instead of guards if it meant fares don't rise as much.

 

[Bletchleyite]

The question they seem to have been asked is do they want just a driver on the train or a driver and guard on the train. I wonder what people would say if they are asked would they pay extra to keep a guard, or would they accept CSAs on board instead of guards if it meant fares don't rise as much.

I think they mostly want a second member of staff, I don't think they genuinely care who does the doors.

 

[pemma]

I think they mostly want a second member of staff, I don't think they genuinely care who does the doors.

Indeed. Some of the local news reports show that some passengers think Northern already operate services without guards, so those passengers are clearly under the impression that no staff member walking through the train means it's driver only. About 15 years ago when I was catching some early services I used to think that - people in TOC uniforms were often travelling on the train as passengers and I could be on the train for 20 or more minutes before I saw the guard so I was sometimes under the impression that the first part of the service had been operated without a guard, with a guard boarding part way along.

 

[Bletchleyite]

One could definitely be forgiven for thinking LM were DOO, so rare is a guard in the passenger compartment.

 

[M28361M]

Strike timetables announced for 8th November: https://www.merseyrail.org/strike-action/strike-timetables.aspx

Kirkby has a service for the first time during the current strike action, with a special Kirkby-Liverpool South Parkway service. Almost as if we're back in 1978 when the regular service pattern on the Northern Line was Kirkby-Liverpool-Garston.

 

[185143]

Kirkby-South Parkway? Are they expecting people to cross the picket lines or reduced services elsewhere?

 

[pemma]

Kirkby-South Parkway? Are they expecting people to cross the picket lines or reduced services elsewhere?

Southport services are terminating at Liverpool Central.

 

[185143]

Southport services are terminating at Liverpool Central.

As is normal on strike days

 

[387star]

Labour would scrap any further doo
I thought mersey was labour led

 

[Kite159]

Labour would scrap any further doo
I thought mersey was labour led

You are correct, Merseytravel is controlled by the Labour council.

(Labour can promise many things when are not in power, it is carrying out those promises once into power is the thing which matters).

 

[313103]

You are correct, Merseytravel is controlled by the Labour council.

(Labour can promise many things when are not in power, it is carrying out those promises once into power is the thing which matters).

Applies to anyone when not in power, take London Underground ticket offices when in opposition Boris Johnson said he would make sure NO ticket offices would close if he was elected (which to many is a vote winner). What happened when he was in power he CLOSED every single London Underground ticket office. So even tories go back on promises, as we know only to well.

Merseytravel is not entirely run by Labour, i think you will find it is a consortium of people from across the political spectrum: This Link lists every one of them 28 in total http://moderngov.merseytravel.uk.net/mgMemberIndex.aspx?VW=TABLE&PIC=1&FN=

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45 Cameron Road, Leasowe, Wirral, Merseyside, CH46 1PH

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I agree that the majority are Labour but i bet the minority parties have as much say as the main party.

I have deleted the pictures of the individuals as they are more then can be allowed to be posted.

 

[kw12]

I agree that the majority are Labour but i bet the minority parties have as much say as the main party.

Really?

Is that for all decisions or just those decisions where you do not agree with the decision made?

 

[Goldfish62]

Labour would scrap any further doo
I thought mersey was labour led

Corbyn has said his government would (and by implication micro manage the railways to a degree never seen before in this country, except perhaps with the current government). Merseyrail is controlled by the local authority, not the government. It wouldn't be the first time that local and national government of the same political party disagree.

 

[M28361M]

The Labour Mayor of Liverpool has this morning criticised the RMT strike while at the same time supporting the separate strike by Arriva bus drivers. The Liverpool Echo has quotes from him:

Mayor Anderson said that compromise is needed - but said to argue that the new trains will be less safe than the current fleet is “a nonsense.”

He said: “The issue for me is that these new trains are not unsafe - they don’t have locked carriages.

“The issues about people being on the trains and what goes on are a society issue, not a transport issue.

“The reality is it is anti-social behaviour and it is a people problem and we do need to be policing this stuff.

“I am not saying that you wouldn’t want a guard on a train going from Liverpool to Southport after 8pm on a Friday night.

“But I don’t believe that coming from Wirral at 8am in the morning to Liverpool, when the train is packed with people, needs a guard on it - there are occasions when it simply isn’t needed.”

He said: “I am not anti-RMT, but there needs to be a compromise - they are losing the good will of the people.

“Merseyrail have said there will be no compulsory redundancies, there will be negotiations - I think there is a compromise to be had.

“If the public want guards but also want modern trains then there could have to be fare increases, people want modern trains.”

“The RMT demand - which is for everything to stay as it is - is unreasonable.”

“To argue that the new trains are not as safe as the old ones is nonsense.”

Worth nothing that Joe Anderson is generally not thought to be from the "Corbynista" wing of the party, so he may disagree with the official party line on guards.

 

[fowler9]

The Labour Mayor of Liverpool has this morning criticised the RMT strike while at the same time supporting the separate strike by Arriva bus drivers. The Liverpool Echo has quotes from him:



Worth nothing that Joe Anderson is generally not thought to be from the "Corbynista" wing of the party, so he may disagree with the official party line on guards.

Joe Anderson is a clown.

 

[Robertj21a]

Unless I'm getting confused with all the RMT - DOO arguments going on over the country, isn't this one on Merseyside the most difficult of all of them to justify ? - new trains, clear statement of objectives from the outset, Labour-controlled authority etc etc ?

 

[pemma]

Unless I'm getting confused with all the RMT - DOO arguments going on over the country, isn't this one on Merseyside the most difficult of all of them to justify ? - new trains, clear statement of objectives from the outset, Labour-controlled authority etc etc ?

Labour MPs are trying to mislead the public. MP Dan Carden has been protesting outside Dutch Embassy: https://twitter.com/DanCardenMP I hope the Dutch Embassy put in an official complaint about his disgraceful behaviour.

 

[185143]

Joe Anderson is a clown.

That article is a disgrace to the hardworking rail workers-he's basically saying 'bus drivers work hard (which is true) and deserve to fight for better pay to match the work they do (which is also true) but f*** the guards, they should just take whatever Merseytravel throw at them' I note he makes no mention of the drivers who also refuse to cross the picket line in solidarity with their guards...

 

[pemma]

That article is a disgrace to the hardworking rail workers-he's basically saying 'bus drivers work hard (which is true) and deserve to fight for better pay to match the work they do (which is also true) but f*** the guards, they should just take whatever Merseytravel throw at them' I note he makes no mention of the drivers who also refuse to cross the picket line in solidarity with their guards...

Joe Anderson is probably being more honest than other Labour politicians who say they are anti-DOO and try to point the blame at Dutch owned Abellio, when it's Labour controlled Merseytravel who are to blame. If Anderson said he was 100% behind the strikes he would be a hypocrite.

 

[fowler9]

Joe Anderson is probably being more honest than other Labour politicians who say they are anti-DOO and try to point the blame at Dutch owned Abellio, when it's Labour controlled Merseytravel who are to blame. If Anderson said he was 100% behind the strikes he would be a hypocrite.

He is still a clown.

 

[Moonshot]

He is still a clown.

You could apply for his role if you wish......and if you happen to be successful, I daresay ( no offence intended ) some forumite would call you a clown......because that is the nature of politics.

 

[6Gman]

I know this will change nobody's mind, but ...

I was at Liverpool Central a few days ago. A six-car train was awaiting departure. The Guard (who looked about 19, but that's me getting old ) was at her door looking along the train, finger on the controls. As the doors started to close somebody ran close to the train. "Move away from the train" she called, but the guy jumped - just - through the closing door. She looked carefully to check he had boarded safely and then pressed two buzzes and away.

There was a member of platform staff present, but he was talking to a passenger with his back to the train. The driver ... was driving.

To me it made the case for Guards to close doors ...