In the BR days a driver was a driver abs could transfer anywhere.Genuine question(s):
- Prior to privatisation i.e. BR, were all railway employees on the same salary and T&Cs?
- If so then did changes occur as TOCs sought to poach staff from other TOCs?
Multi year deals agreed before April 2020 will be honoured.I have no issue with a pay freeze whatsoever. I do wonder what the score is with multi year deals already in place, as someone else mentioned. Also, if we are all public sector employees now the government will, at some point, have to address the discrepancies in pay and T&Cs but that is a fearsome task.
I haven't heard anything from ASLEF on this, whilst I appreciate there isn't much they can do, it'd be nice for the members to know what the EC's take on it is.
When it comes to redundancies, I don't think it'd be a good idea to make them in grades which take a long time to train. Reduced hours can be scaled up very quickly to meet post-pandemic demand whereas if there are redundancies there may well be chronic staff shortages in a few years' time.
I know that the country is skint but seeing billions of pounds of taxpayers' money doled out to the government's rich mates without proper due dilligence gets on my wick. Like the Great Recession, it's one rule for the rich and well-connected, a different rule for everyone else.IfIf all Drivers were paid the same what about freight drivers who are still private sector workers?
Is the pay freeze for 2021 and 2022 or is it including 2020 ?
That'll go down well with some Network Rail staff who seemingly still haven't received their previous pay rise.There is no end in sight for COVID and the way the Country works, so no rise in 2021, will mean the same in 2022, as they will argue nothing has changed !
Mixed feelings many are glad to be in a job still considering the absolute decimation in income the industry has had. Some are furious.That'll go down well with some Network Rail staff who seemingly still haven't received their previous pay rise.
I shouldn't worry about discrepancies, no two public sector departments have the same pay scales!I have no issue with a pay freeze whatsoever. I do wonder what the score is with multi year deals already in place, as someone else mentioned. Also, if we are all public sector employees now the government will, at some point, have to address the discrepancies in pay and T&Cs but that is a fearsome task.
Ha, I'm sure that's true. But surely we'd all be one department.I shouldn't worry about discrepancies, no two public sector departments have the same pay scales!
Pay among grades differs even at department levels. There's been a long process to narrow the gaps, but it is taking a long time. So if your TOC is at the lower end, don't hold your breath. And if you are working for a better paid one, well get used to years of pittance / zero pay rises!Interesting that multi year deals will be honoured. Good for staff at those TOCs
Ha, I'm sure that's true. But surely we'd all be one department.
Was the SWR multi year deal agreed before or after April 2020?
So does that mean it won't be honoured as it wasn't agreed before April but during April?Just had a look through a rather long WhatsApp conversation history and a SWR driver told me the result of the ballot on 22nd April. Whether that was the actual day of it I'm not sure.
I thought the deal was effective from April 2020, in which case it's already been implemented and so will be honoured, or have I missed something?So does that mean it won't be honoured as it wasn't agreed before April but during April?
I see what you mean. I was just thinking that the April 21 and April 22 pay rises agreed might not be honoured now.I thought the deal was effective from April 2020, in which case it's already been implemented and so will be honoured, or have I missed something?
Effective from April 2019, that was year 1 of the 4 year deal (was just running a tad late!)I thought the deal was effective from April 2020, in which case it's already been implemented and so will be honoured, or have I missed something?
So absolutely no argument about whether that's a current multi-year deal!Effective from April 2019, that was year 1 of the 4 year deal (was just running a tad late!)
Yes. Have a look at the ASLEF website for the details.Are you sure SWR negotiated a 4 year deal ?
What was the headline figures for each of the years ?