RMT Strike (Avanti) February

[spp]

Avanti warning if strike on the 21-23rd December and 29th but can’t see any details anywhere else?

Is it a full strike I need to travel those days. No real notice given

 

[DarloRich]

Could you provide a link to a source please?

 

[Lewisham2221]

Could you provide a link to a source please?

Strike action | Travel Information | Avanti West Coast

Information on train times, strike information and the latest travel updates on our network.

www.avantiwestcoast.co.uk

The RMT union has announced strike action affecting Avanti West Coast on 22, 23 and 29 December. On these dates, customers should expect timetables and operating hours to be reduced significantly and note that services that do run are expected to be busy. We strongly advise customers to check before they travel.

If you booked tickets to travel on these strike days before the industrial action was announced, we recommend travelling on an alternative day as our services will be busy. You can use your prebooked tickets with Avanti West Coast on the following travel dates:

Tickets dated 22 or 23 December can be used any time from 16 to 24 December.
Tickets dated 29 December can be used any time from 28 December to 3 January.
Or if you’d rather not travel, you can claim a full, fee-free refund from where you bought your ticket.

To minimise the number of people disrupted, we’ve suspended ticket sales for our services on the strike days. The reduced timetables for 22 and 23 December are expected to be available to book from 14 December. We’ll provide more information about the amended timetable for 29 December as soon as we have it.

 

[DarloRich]

Strike action | Travel Information | Avanti West Coast

Information on train times, strike information and the latest travel updates on our network.

www.avantiwestcoast.co.uk

Hmmm! That wasn't there a few minutes ago! Thanks!

EDIT - searching for 2025 is why I got a blank. Oops!

 

[Cross City]

Hmmm! That wasn't there a few minutes ago! Thanks!

EDIT - searching for 2025 is why I got a blank. Oops!

Only announced on their Twitter page at around 17:50, so 30 minutes ago.

 

[185143]

This is less than 14 days notice?

Unless RMT have given notice to Avanti and they for whatever reason have decided not to disclose it to the public.

 

[Carlisle]

This is less than 14 days notice?

Unless RMT have given notice to Avanti and they for whatever reason have decided not to disclose it to the public.

Yes good point, that’s an unusual tactic if correct.

 

[spp]

Apologies all a link in my original post would have been helpful.

 

[Skiddaw]

Oh no! I'm travelling back from Euston on 22nd. When will the revised timetable be announced?

 

[hexagon789]

Oh no! I'm travelling back from Euston on 22nd. When will the revised timetable be announced?

14th is when they say bookings will be open.

 

[Cross City]

Oh no! I'm travelling back from Euston on 22nd. When will the revised timetable be announced?

Website says

"The reduced timetables for 22 and 23 December are expected to be available to book from 14 December. We’ll provide more information about the amended timetable for 29 December as soon as we have it."

Strong chance these get called off anyway.

 

[Lewisham2221]

Now on the RMT website:

Avanti train managers to strike after overwhelming rejection of rest day proposals

Train Managers at Avanti West Coast will take strike action after overwhelmingly rejecting the company’s inadequate proposals on rest day working arrangements.

www.rmt.org.uk

Train Managers at Avanti West Coast will take strike action after overwhelmingly rejecting the company’s inadequate proposals on rest day working arrangements.

Strike action is now scheduled to take place on the following dates:

Sunday 22 December
Monday 23 December
Sunday 29 December

In an e-referendum, 92.8% of our members rejected management's latest proposals on a turnout of 81%.

RMT General Secretary Mick Lynch said: “Avanti West Coast’s proposals have been decisively rejected by our Train Managers, sending a clear message to management that the current arrangements are unacceptable.

"Train Managers are being treated unfairly compared to senior managers, who receive significant payments for covering these roles.

“Our members have had enough, and this strike action demonstrates their determination to win a fair deal.

"It’s time for Avanti to put forward serious proposals that reflect the vital contribution of our Train Managers to the railway.

"We remain ready to reach a negotiated settlement and we urge management to show they are serious about resolving this dispute.”

 

[uww11x]

Disgusting from the RMT. Lost any sympathy for them

 

[Cross City]

Disgusting from the RMT. Lost any sympathy for them

What is?

 

[Starmill]

This is less than 14 days notice?

Unless RMT have given notice to Avanti and they for whatever reason have decided not to disclose it to the public.

Is it a strike-not-strike with only a work to rule on the first part? This obviously negates the 14-day notice period. However, RMT and Avanti use the word 'strike' so...

 

[CyrusWuff]

Is it a strike-not-strike with only a work to rule on the first part? This obviously negates the 14-day notice period. However, RMT and Avanti use the word 'strike' so...

Potentially a ban on Rest Day and Overtime working, given it's relating to their Rest Day agreement.

 

[185143]

Is it a strike-not-strike with only a work to rule on the first part? This obviously negates the 14-day notice period. However, RMT and Avanti use the word 'strike' so...

I don't know where Avanti TMs stand on Sunday working tbh, but a Monday is included which isn't a bank holiday so that's surely a 'proper strike' as opposed to a work to rule?

 

[Starmill]

I don't know where Avanti TMs stand on Sunday working tbh, but a Monday is included which isn't a bank holiday so that's surely a 'proper strike' as opposed to a work to rule?

The water has been muddied many times when a ban on overtime is referred to as a strike. But usually a strike means a strike.

 

[Krokodil]

Disgusting from the RMT. Lost any sympathy for them

Really? What do you think that the strike is about? Why do you think that the TMs voted for action?

 

[DaveB10780]

Do they really think this is a good plan? Especially since the Midland Main line is shut with buses going to Milton Keynes. How can this action be initiated by anyone who has a conscience. Shame on you RMT and Avanti TMs. I am also disgusted.

 

[Starmill]

I am personally not at all clear on the main substances of the issues. So this is a good question.

Really? What do you think that the strike is about? Why do you think that the TMs voted for action?

 

[dk1]

Do they really think this is a good plan? Especially since the Midland Main line is shut with buses going to Milton Keynes. How can this action be initiated by anyone who has a conscience. Shame on you RMT and Avanti TMs. I am also disgusted.

I’m trying to understand your logic there. Why would a union representing their members in a dispute consider the those things?

 

[weeklycommuter]

Again the problem is the train operator does not employ enough staff to deliver the service through staff working their contracted hours. In this case I suggest the train operator stops providing a catering service and replaces the kitchen and the shop with more seats so they only need one member of onboard staff apart from the driver on each train, converts more first class seats to standard class so they can carry more passengers and concentrates on just providing reliable transport for rail passengers.

 

[12LDA28C]

Again the problem is the train operator does not employ enough staff to deliver the service through staff working their contracted hours. In this case I suggest the train operator stops providing a catering service and replaces the kitchen and the shop with more seats so they only need one member of onboard staff apart from the driver on each train, converts more first class seats to standard class so they can carry more passengers and concentrates on just providing reliable transport for rail passengers.

Huh? How would culling catering staff or putting in more seats compensate for Train Managers refusing to work overtime or Rest Days? Those in charge need to either recruit more staff or provide a better incentive for the staff they have got to give up their time off to come into work.

 

[DaveB10780]

I’m trying to understand your logic there. Why would a union representing their members in a dispute consider the those things?

Why indeed, maximum inconvenience to the travelling public so great result. Give themselves a good pat on the back and enjoy their time off.

 

[Darandio]

Why indeed, maximum inconvenience to the travelling public so great result. Give themselves a good pat on the back and enjoy their time off.

That's the whole point, no?

 

[6Gman]

I note a 92% vote for action on an 81% turnout, which suggests some very angry Train Managers.

 

[dk1]

Why indeed, maximum inconvenience to the travelling public so great result. Give themselves a good pat on the back and enjoy their time off.

There would be no point doing it otherwise. Give me strength.

That's the whole point, no?

Thanks. I began to question my own sanity very briefly.

 

[weeklycommuter]

Huh? How would culling catering staff or putting in more seats compensate for Train Managers refusing to work overtime or Rest Days? Those in charge need to either recruit more staff or provide a better incentive for the staff they have got to give up their time off to come into work.

If the train operator no longer has to pay for catering staff they can spend the money saved on more Train Managers so they can deliver the full timetable with their Train Managers working contracted hours only. The train operator will then have no need to ask any Train Managers to work rest days and there will no industrial disputes over rest day working. Rail passengers will then be able to make the journeys they need to make as the train service will not be affected by industrial action over rest day working as is happening on 22, 23 and 29 December, just when people want to travel either side of Christmas.

 

[dk1]

If the train operator no longer has to pay for catering staff they can spend the money saved on more Train Managers so they can deliver the full timetable with their Train Managers working contracted hours only. The train operator will then have no need to ask any Train Managers to work rest days and there will no industrial disputes over rest day working. Rail passengers will then be able to make the journeys they need to make as the train service will not be affected by industrial action over rest day working as is happening on 22, 23 and 29 December, just when people want to travel either side of Christmas.

So those catering staff can now cover train managers positions. Is that what you are suggesting?