RMT Talks

[iecc2001]

How about everyone who moans about the unions voluntarily hands back their sick pay agreement, annual leave days, their maternity/paternal leave or how about their employer pension. That’s what the unions got you, you didn’t get them because your employer thought you were a good guy. Whether it was the rail union or coal union without them we would still be slave labour. Iam in the RMT (a Signaller) and I don’t consider myself militant at all but I still lost just under 3k striking last year so what we won didn’t come cheap and it was only just acceptable in my opinion. 4.5% is expected this year even though our traditional Nov rpi was 5.3% so I don’t consider us a greedy bunch.

 

[CFRAIL]

How about everyone who moans about the unions voluntarily hands back their sick pay agreement, annual leave days, their maternity/paternal leave or how about their employer pension. That’s what the unions got you, you didn’t get them because your employer thought you were a good guy. Whether it was the rail union or coal union without them we would still be slave labour. Iam in the RMT (a Signaller) and I don’t consider myself militant at all but I still lost just under 3k striking last year so what we won didn’t come cheap and it was only just acceptable in my opinion. 4.5% is expected this year even though our traditional Nov rpi was 5.3% so I don’t consider us a greedy bunch.

Hear hear!

 

[LAX54]

How about everyone who moans about the unions voluntarily hands back their sick pay agreement, annual leave days, their maternity/paternal leave or how about their employer pension. That’s what the unions got you, you didn’t get them because your employer thought you were a good guy. Whether it was the rail union or coal union without them we would still be slave labour. Iam in the RMT (a Signaller) and I don’t consider myself militant at all but I still lost just under 3k striking last year so what we won didn’t come cheap and it was only just acceptable in my opinion. 4.5% is expected this year even though our traditional Nov rpi was 5.3% so I don’t consider us a greedy bunch.

where is the tick emoji when you wnat one

 

[GardenRail]

How about everyone who moans about the unions voluntarily hands back their sick pay agreement, annual leave days, their maternity/paternal leave or how about their employer pension. That’s what the unions got you, you didn’t get them because your employer thought you were a good guy. Whether it was the rail union or coal union without them we would still be slave labour. Iam in the RMT (a Signaller) and I don’t consider myself militant at all but I still lost just under 3k striking last year so what we won didn’t come cheap and it was only just acceptable in my opinion. 4.5% is expected this year even though our traditional Nov rpi was 5.3% so I don’t consider us a greedy bunch.

This

 

[Milky Bar Kid]

How about everyone who moans about the unions voluntarily hands back their sick pay agreement, annual leave days, their maternity/paternal leave or how about their employer pension. That’s what the unions got you, you didn’t get them because your employer thought you were a good guy. Whether it was the rail union or coal union without them we would still be slave labour. Iam in the RMT (a Signaller) and I don’t consider myself militant at all but I still lost just under 3k striking last year so what we won didn’t come cheap and it was only just acceptable in my opinion. 4.5% is expected this year even though our traditional Nov rpi was 5.3% so I don’t consider us a greedy bunch.

Exactly this! One pay rise in 5 years is quite frankly poor, yes there was subsidies etc to keep the railways running but the cost to employees been great, heralded as key workers on the front line during the pandemic for nothing but loyalty from employees. The last government sensed an opportunity to exploit the situation and it ultimately backfired, an offer for 2022 pay of 4% with strings was never going to sway the membership lets be honest. The best thing that can happen now is to square all grades up to date and look ahead to GBR and productivity and reforms when that takes shape.

 

[DMckduck97]

I can see it already in the MSM next year, Starmer admits would have been cheaper to settle yet again after pointless RMT dispute.

Hopefully I am wrong...

 

[DarloRich]

I suspect politics and positioning is playing a role in this.

It is hard to announce a what will appear to many in the Daily Mail influenced world as another large, strike breaking, pay rise when you have just annouced how hard the next budget is going to be.

There are a couple of announcements caught up in this situation.

 

[KM1991]

An update should be given today. Getting very close to the moment of being mugged off here.

 

[Towers]

I suspect politics and positioning is playing a role in this.

It is hard to announce a what will appear to many in the Daily Mail influenced world as another large, strike breaking, pay rise when you have just annouced how hard the next budget is going to be.

There are a couple of announcements caught up in this situation.

My feeling also. Deal quietly sorted in a couple of weeks once the ‘bad news’ headlines are over, perhaps.

 

[Railwayowl80]

I honestly hope something gets announced soon really don’t want to start having the thought of potential strikes again.

Personally I can’t see how it isn’t going to be sorted so that we can get back to a hopefully more reliable and sustainable railway, after all it has been mentioned numerous times it cost them a hell of a lot more in lost revenue then it would have been to settle.

 

[DarloRich]

My feeling also. Deal quietly sorted in a couple of weeks once the ‘bad news’ headlines are over, perhaps.

exactly! I suspect a deal has been done in principle with sign off outstanding.

Getting very close to the moment of being mugged off here.

on what basis? What does this even mean?

 

[Carlisle]

My feeling also. Deal quietly sorted in a couple of weeks once the ‘bad news’ headlines are over, perhaps.

Ah you mean like the ‘Winter Fuel Payments’ the media’s now totally forgotten about

 

[KM1991]

exactly! I suspect a deal has been done in principle with sign off outstanding.


on what basis? What does this even mean?

It means that it doesn’t take 3 weeks after an offer has been made to ASLEF to make an official offer to the RMT. It’s BS.

 

[DarloRich]

It means that it doesn’t take 3 weeks after an offer has been made to ASLEF to make an official offer to the RMT. It’s BS.

I think your antennae need retuning.

What do you think is happening?

 

[GRALISTAIR]

My feeling also. Deal quietly sorted in a couple of weeks once the ‘bad news’ headlines are over, perhaps.

Correct imho.

 

[Geeves]

One thing is for sure if they are planning on road pricing it would be in the governments interests to have public transport running properly unless they want actual riots on the streets

 

[12LDA28C]

It means that it doesn’t take 3 weeks after an offer has been made to ASLEF to make an official offer to the RMT. It’s BS.

Clearly it does. Unless you're party to the finer details of any discussions and negotiations which have taken / are taking place, I'd say you're not in a position to say what is and what isn't 'BS'.

 

[CFRAIL]

Update just received;

Dear RMT Member



PAY UPDATE - TRAIN OPERATING COMPANIES



I realise that many of you are disappointed and frustrated at the lack of progress being made on pay with the Train Operating Companies.



Despite the frequent contacts we are having with DfT officials on the proposals that are due to come to us, they have not received the government approvals that they need to make the proposals formally in writing.



I have been assured that the proposals that will be made are of equal value to those that have been set out in other forums.



The other rail unions are all in the same position and none have received the written documentation that is needed to move forward. This applies to both the drivers and the all-grades bargaining groups



Communication relating to this matter will firstly come from the official RMT text and email account and not via social media platforms.



As soon as the Union has received any documentation and the NEC has considered the proposals, I will update you immediately.



Yours sincerely



Michael Lynch

General Secretary

 

[DMckduck97]

Update just received;

Dear RMT Member



PAY UPDATE - TRAIN OPERATING COMPANIES



I realise that many of you are disappointed and frustrated at the lack of progress being made on pay with the Train Operating Companies.



Despite the frequent contacts we are having with DfT officials on the proposals that are due to come to us, they have not received the government approvals that they need to make the proposals formally in writing.



I have been assured that the proposals that will be made are of equal value to those that have been set out in other forums.



The other rail unions are all in the same position and none have received the written documentation that is needed to move forward. This applies to both the drivers and the all-grades bargaining groups



Communication relating to this matter will firstly come from the official RMT text and email account and not via social media platforms.



As soon as the Union has received any documentation and the NEC has considered the proposals, I will update you immediately.



Yours sincerely



Michael Lynch

General Secretary

This reads to me that ASLEF have announced the offer, but are also in the same boat as the RMT?

 

[Toby268]

This reads to me that ASLEF have announced the offer, but are also in the same boat as the RMT?

Correct.

 

[Railwayowl80]

Interesting one that so is that them having a dig that ASLEF have put out the offer without any written offer being received

 

[Toby268]

Interesting one that so is that them having a dig that ASLEF have put out the offer without any written offer being received

To be fair, the transport sec jumped all over at the time as well for a good news story. So it’s not just that ASLEF done it.

 

[newtownmgr]

As far as I’m aware with regards to aslef. They have recieved the offer in writing but last i heard was that the were still waiting for the various TOC’s to send the offer out. Not quite sure how it works but assume the companies have to make the offer to allow the ballot to proceed. I’m sure someone will have a better understanding/knowledge tho.

 

[driver9000]

This reads to me that ASLEF have announced the offer, but are also in the same boat as the RMT?

ASLEF shared a copy of the written offer on DfT headed paper signed by Alex Hynes with their members. No word on the referendum vote as yet though as it needs to be issued to each TOC who then issue it to their local company council reps.

 

[12LDA28C]

As far as I’m aware with regards to aslef. They have recieved the offer in writing but last i heard was that the were still waiting for the various TOC’s to send the offer out. Not quite sure how it works but assume the companies have to make the offer to allow the ballot to proceed. I’m sure someone will have a better understanding/knowledge tho.

The TOCs have not yet received the necessary mandate from Government to be able to send the offer out. Still waiting for that.

 

[newtownmgr]

The TOCs have not yet received the necessary mandate from Government to be able to send the offer out. Still waiting for that.

Yes that’s what i heard. Hopefully just a mistake, if not could be embarrassing for this government if we end up back in dispute.

 

[ainsworth74]

This reads to me that ASLEF have announced the offer, but are also in the same boat as the RMT?

Recall that RMT negotiate for some drivers not just other grades. I don't think they're referring to ASLEF there.

More generally though the delay is frustrating but I'm still positive. I think the tone would be very different if the RMT negotiators were worried.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Just sounds like it's likely budget related with it being round the corner and they're probably just waiting to finalise that etc etc before sending it out. Dotting i's and crossing t's.

Sounds all fair enough to me. Is what it is.

 

[DMckduck97]

Recall that RMT negotiate for some drivers not just other grades. I don't think they're referring to ASLEF there.

More generally though the delay is frustrating but I'm still positive. I think the tone would be very different if the RMT negotiators were worried.

Interesting choice of words was "the other rail unions are all in the same position"

 

[SCDR_WMR]

Recall that RMT negotiate for some drivers not just other grades. I don't think they're referring to ASLEF there.

More generally though the delay is frustrating but I'm still positive. I think the tone would be very different if the RMT negotiators were worried.

One would imagine that it's less the RMT driver section that would hold any negotiations up, more likely the lower paid grades requiring a minimum ££ rather than percentage increase