Rolling stock companies building replacements for rolling stock they built

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An example of this is the Class 458 on SWR, built by Alstom, which will be replaced by Alstom Aventras.

A couple more examples:

The Class 710s replaced the Class 172s which were both by Bombardier, that’s the only other example I could think of.

720s replacing 379s on non Stansted services. Anyway this could be a new thread if anymore examples are thought of.

Any more?

 

[Energy]

720s replacing 387s at c2c.

 

[hst43102]

An example of this is the Class 458 on SWR, built by Alstom, which will be replaced by Alstom Aventras.

A couple more examples:



Any more?

Aventras are Bombardier products.

 

[rebmcr]

Alstom Aventras

All of their design, and probably all of their manufacturing will have been done by Bombardier before the acquisition.

We don't call Class 91s Alstom just because GEC was later purchased by them.

 

[Energy]

Aventras are Bombardier products.

Bombardier is now part of Alstom.

 

[Energy]

All of their design, and probably all of their manufacturing will have been done by Bombardier before the acquisition.

We don't call Class 91s Alstom just because GEC was later purchased by them.

The first 168s were built under Adtranz but they are commonly regarded as being all built by Bombardier.

 

[py_megapixel]

Aventras are Bombardier products.

Not anymore. Alstom has acquired the rail division of Bombardier

[EU / Expert] It's official: EU approves Alstom/Bombardier Transportation merger

It's official: the 31st of July 2020 marks the day the European Union approved the takeover of the railway rolling stock manufacturing division of Canadian company Bombardier by the French railway rolling stock manufacturing company Alstom. This approval comes with a few conditions.When the EU r

railcolornews.com

 

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All of their design, and probably all of their manufacturing will have been done by Bombardier before the acquisition.

We don't call Class 91s Alstom just because GEC was later purchased by them.

Maybe not, but the technical services and suchlike will be provided by Alstom for the entirety of their service life. It wouldn't surprise me if they get Alstom nameplates. And any follow on orders once the acquisition is complete will unequivocally be Alstom units.

 

[rebmcr]

Not anymore. Alstom has acquired the rail division of Bombardier

[EU / Expert] It's official: EU approves Alstom/Bombardier Transportation merger

It's official: the 31st of July 2020 marks the day the European Union approved the takeover of the railway rolling stock manufacturing division of Canadian company Bombardier by the French railway rolling stock manufacturing company Alstom. This approval comes with a few conditions.When the EU r

railcolornews.com

If you're going to cite an article, I would advise reading it.

The work is not over yet. There still needs to be a few more regulatory approvals and conditions. The process is expected to be finalised in the first half of 2021.

 

[py_megapixel]

If you're going to cite an article, I would advise reading it.

I know, and I *did* read it... however, Aventras are ultimately going to be supported by Alstom for the entire of their service life, and Alstom will almost certainly build any follow-on orders after 2021. Therefore, I think it's reasonable to suggest that the Aventra is shortly to become an Alstom product.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

We don't call Class 91s Alstom just because GEC was later purchased by them.

Nevertheless, the company that built the IC225 was GEC Alsthom (from 1989).
In the reverse direction, you can find TGV clones running around in Spain also emblazoned with a GEC Alsthom manufacturer's plate, which GEC had little to do with.
It was a 50-50 joint venture until GEC sold out to Alstom in 1998.

On the topic of class 458 and Aventra, they are completely different designs, whoever's name is on the outside.
While we can anticipate Alstom taking control of Derby, it won't happen until next year with all the bureaucracy and due diligence of the transaction still to come.
So Bombardier continues with its product line for the time being.

 

[rebmcr]

I think it's reasonable to suggest that the Aventra is shortly to become an Alstom product.

OK then that's just what you should have said, and then nobody would have disagreed.

 

[Taunton]

Swindon works built locomotive and rolling stock replacements for what Swindon had built previously, for over 100 years, which applied pretty much to other major railway works as well.

 

[delticdave]

720s replacing 387s at c2c.

I thought that c2c were keeping the 387's & adding a reduced number of 720's instead?

 

[Energy]

I thought that c2c were keeping the 387's & adding a reduced number of 720's instead?

The 387s are on short term lease until the 720s arrive.