Hello,
My 19 year old daughter is a university student in Manchester, but she's living at home for the summer. For context, though I don't think it's going to affect the outcome in any way, she has very severe mental health issues that started when she was very young, including depression and suicidal thoughts. It's very very hard to get through to her or get the full facts as to what happened because she's been in quite a bad way ever since she did this (which, don't get me wrong, she has no one to blame but herself!) and texts me worrying about whether she'll go to prison every other day bless her.
She's been struggling a lot with money, as any student would- I'm out of work at the moment so I couldn't lend her the train fare she ended up evading, which just makes me feel like a rubbish mum to be honest, but what's done is done. So some time a few weeks ago, she applied for a job at a pub back near where she lives at university and decided that if she got it, since she'd only be working in the day time she'd start taking the train back and forth rather than moving back to the city until the tenancy at her new university house begins (sodding student landlords making kids pay half rent for a house they can't even move in to!!!). On the day of her interview, she took the bus from our home station to Bradford Interchange. This is where her quite frankly very stupid attempt to save a bit of cash started:
She bought some sort of ticket to get on the train, obviously from some station much closer to Bradford, then when she got off, she bought another cheaper one from a station close to Manchester. She said one of her friends did it all the time and nothing ever happened (kids, eh?) and she didn't have enough for the train so she might as well try (silly girl!!!). I'm not sure of the exact stations, I've never been to Manchester on the train, and she downright shuts down and sobs if I try to ask her (and I'm not going to send my child into a full blown mental health episode over some train tickets, so I've stopped prying). Of course, at Manchester, she got caught, which is only right I suppose- though it'll be a very very expensive lesson to learn! Where it gets worse is that the silly girl, not knowing how much trouble she was in, told the officer at the station she'd come in from somewhere close to Manchester AGAIN, and she said this was the station the man wrote on his report. What's more is, the two tickets she ended up buying to save money came to almost the same cost as buying a bloody ticket in the first place!!! I'm absolutely baffled, and feeling like a really rubbish parent for not just sending her the money that day, to be honest. I have no idea what excuses she gave as to where or why she got on, she absolutely will not budge and I don't want to cause her any more upset than she's already feeling, really. I probably won't even know until I read through her letter!!
We've come to the conclusion that whatever punishment she's going to get will probably be the harshest possible, considering all the things she did wrong:
- False ticket
- Overstaying (? Is this the right term)
- Another false ticket
- False origin station
The question is, is there much point in further incriminating herself in the letter? I've told her yes, as they can probably look at CCTV any time they want. She's never done anything of the sort before because I have always been able to help her out. Obviously her job interview didn't go too well considering she was so upset, so everything was very worst-case scenario here! I'm encouraging her to just be as honest as she can in the letter and apologise as much as she can, since it's obviously going to court whether she likes it or not, and she is VERY apologetic. I know what she did was really bad and trust me, she knows too, you don't have to tell me twice! I'm just trying to protect my little girl's sanity here, though, above all else. Her dad's not very present in her life but has offered to help her in the future with money for things like travel whilst I'm still searching for a new job so she doesn't have to resort to stuff like this (though I doubt she ever will!). He will also help her with any fines and things, though it took a lot of effort to even get ahold of the man, so please no comments about "why didn't dad help then"! The letter cites Should legal proceedings be invoked, in addition to any fines imposed by the court, there will be an application for a minimum of £150 as a contribution to our costs. It also mentions that Regulation of Railways Act and Railway Byelaws apply. I just need a bit of help in helping her to write her letter, really, because she's absolutely distraught and already very poorly in her head, which I do appreciate that Northern will not care about hearing, but quite frankly, as her mum, is ALL I care about, first and foremost!!! It might sound silly to some that she's this worked up about a train fare, but if you could see her in front of you, you would understand!! I can post the letter she got if needs be. Thanks so much everyone for your help,
Andrea xx
My 19 year old daughter is a university student in Manchester, but she's living at home for the summer. For context, though I don't think it's going to affect the outcome in any way, she has very severe mental health issues that started when she was very young, including depression and suicidal thoughts. It's very very hard to get through to her or get the full facts as to what happened because she's been in quite a bad way ever since she did this (which, don't get me wrong, she has no one to blame but herself!) and texts me worrying about whether she'll go to prison every other day bless her.
She's been struggling a lot with money, as any student would- I'm out of work at the moment so I couldn't lend her the train fare she ended up evading, which just makes me feel like a rubbish mum to be honest, but what's done is done. So some time a few weeks ago, she applied for a job at a pub back near where she lives at university and decided that if she got it, since she'd only be working in the day time she'd start taking the train back and forth rather than moving back to the city until the tenancy at her new university house begins (sodding student landlords making kids pay half rent for a house they can't even move in to!!!). On the day of her interview, she took the bus from our home station to Bradford Interchange. This is where her quite frankly very stupid attempt to save a bit of cash started:
She bought some sort of ticket to get on the train, obviously from some station much closer to Bradford, then when she got off, she bought another cheaper one from a station close to Manchester. She said one of her friends did it all the time and nothing ever happened (kids, eh?) and she didn't have enough for the train so she might as well try (silly girl!!!). I'm not sure of the exact stations, I've never been to Manchester on the train, and she downright shuts down and sobs if I try to ask her (and I'm not going to send my child into a full blown mental health episode over some train tickets, so I've stopped prying). Of course, at Manchester, she got caught, which is only right I suppose- though it'll be a very very expensive lesson to learn! Where it gets worse is that the silly girl, not knowing how much trouble she was in, told the officer at the station she'd come in from somewhere close to Manchester AGAIN, and she said this was the station the man wrote on his report. What's more is, the two tickets she ended up buying to save money came to almost the same cost as buying a bloody ticket in the first place!!! I'm absolutely baffled, and feeling like a really rubbish parent for not just sending her the money that day, to be honest. I have no idea what excuses she gave as to where or why she got on, she absolutely will not budge and I don't want to cause her any more upset than she's already feeling, really. I probably won't even know until I read through her letter!!
We've come to the conclusion that whatever punishment she's going to get will probably be the harshest possible, considering all the things she did wrong:
- False ticket
- Overstaying (? Is this the right term)
- Another false ticket
- False origin station
The question is, is there much point in further incriminating herself in the letter? I've told her yes, as they can probably look at CCTV any time they want. She's never done anything of the sort before because I have always been able to help her out. Obviously her job interview didn't go too well considering she was so upset, so everything was very worst-case scenario here! I'm encouraging her to just be as honest as she can in the letter and apologise as much as she can, since it's obviously going to court whether she likes it or not, and she is VERY apologetic. I know what she did was really bad and trust me, she knows too, you don't have to tell me twice! I'm just trying to protect my little girl's sanity here, though, above all else. Her dad's not very present in her life but has offered to help her in the future with money for things like travel whilst I'm still searching for a new job so she doesn't have to resort to stuff like this (though I doubt she ever will!). He will also help her with any fines and things, though it took a lot of effort to even get ahold of the man, so please no comments about "why didn't dad help then"! The letter cites Should legal proceedings be invoked, in addition to any fines imposed by the court, there will be an application for a minimum of £150 as a contribution to our costs. It also mentions that Regulation of Railways Act and Railway Byelaws apply. I just need a bit of help in helping her to write her letter, really, because she's absolutely distraught and already very poorly in her head, which I do appreciate that Northern will not care about hearing, but quite frankly, as her mum, is ALL I care about, first and foremost!!! It might sound silly to some that she's this worked up about a train fare, but if you could see her in front of you, you would understand!! I can post the letter she got if needs be. Thanks so much everyone for your help,
Andrea xx