Route: METROLINK CTLZ vs Any Permitted

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  1. Jeni

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    There are two types of SDR and CDR available, one routed "METROLINK CTLZ" and one routed "Any Permitted".

    What is the difference? I've never understood the "METROLINK CTLZ" routing as you wouldn't use the Metrolink on this journey.

    Are both tickets available to purchase from the station?
     
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    You can do Hazel Grove-Picc-Vic-Bolton now, can't you?
     
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    Metrolink CTLZ tickets are usually sold for visitors to Manchester, so that they can get off at Piccadilly (or wherever) and jump on a tram around the city centre without worrying about an additional ticket.
     
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    So I can buy the more expensive Any Permitted ticket and use it in the evening peak, unlike the metrolink ctlz version?
     
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    Correct, although the Any Permitted is not valid on Metrolink (not, as you say, you would need to use Metrolink for this journey anyway).
     
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    ctlz entitles you to free tram use in the city centre zone, its more useful if the city centre is your final destination but does still allow you to travel between Deansgate, Piccadilly and Victoria by tram to make a rail connection.
     
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    Tickets are sold to Manchester CTLZ instead of Manchester STNs if the origin station is a non-Central Manchester in Greater Manchester or a selected few in Derbyshire and Cheshire.

    Tickets with a route:Manchester CTLZ are tickets sold between two Greater Manchester stations where a transfer between Piccadilly and Victoria could be required. So a Stockport to Eccles ticket would say it but a Macclesfield to Eccles ticket would not.
     
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    Even though the Any Permitted is more expensive?
     
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    The free travel is an offpeak perk (after 9:30am is tram offpeak) so unfortunately a peak time rail ticket doesn't include it.

    The Lancashire day ranger doesn't include it either (valid after 8:45am) though the Greater Manchester Wayfarer does (valid after 9:30am).
     
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    What do you mean? The Anytime Day fares would be valid for cross-city transfer on the Metrolink during the morning peak.

    Good question.

    I would imagine that in the same manner as using more expensive Not Via London fares on London Underground, if you could obtain a zero fare change of route excess to the Metrolink Ctlz fare, then that would no doubt be valid. Otherwise although imo it should still be valid, you may experience problems if checked on Metrolink services. Don't forget that carriage onboard Metrolink services are not subject to the NRCoC, so I would certainly not recommend using them without the appropriate excess ticket.
     
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    According to iKB, the routeing 'Metrolink CTLZ' is used where a trip on the Metrolink is REQUIRED. So, technically, where there are 'Metrolink CTLZ' and 'Any Permitted' tickets, one is to travel via the tram and the other not.
     
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    The two CDRs are understandable, one for purely off peak, the other to allow use in the afternoon peak.

    What is crazy are the two peak SDR day returns. Northern have created a ticket totally unrequired doing the exactsame job as the lower priced ticket. A number of anomolies and programming errors have been noticed, including several Day Return tickets issued at Mauldeth Road, valid for one month :o

    The use of a routing code to advise on time validity is just stupid as all tickets listed there are valid on Metrolink for one journey per portion of a ticket, and the route field should always the Metrolink CTLZ text, any other addition routing codes can find somewhere on the ticket. :)
     
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    Usually in Greater Manchester you need an anytime return to travel in the peak, and the "any permitted" routeing doesn't change that.

    However the restriction codes are different for the off peak METROLINK CTLZ ticket and off peak ANY PERMITTED ticket. I'm guessing Northern screwup, but the off peak ANY PERMITTED doesn't have an evening peak restriction (but does have a morning one).
     
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    That applies for tickets where the fare is set by TfGM, it also applies for some tickets set by Northern but doesn't include tickets where the fare is set by another operator.

    For Stockport-Manchester the Any Permitted fare (set by TfGM) has afternoon peak restrictions, the Virgin Only fare (obviously set by Virgin) has no afternoon peak restrictions.

    For Bolton to Hazel Grove Route: Any Permitted the restriction code is B2 meaning the outward journey can be made from 09:15 and the return journey can be made at any time after the outward journey has been made until 04:29 the following morning.
     
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    By contrast, NRE describes it as "Valid for travel via Metrolink (Greater Manchester) services", and recommends the ticket for rail-only journeys.

    I don't know if Northern benefit in any way from the fact that the anytime "Any Permitted" fare exists, but it's probably easier to leave it be than to remove it.
     
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